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1 posted on 06/28/2005 7:37:32 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
I believe they'll call this one "separation of Church and estate."
2 posted on 06/28/2005 7:38:47 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: rhema

There is some sweet church property in the heart of NYC!


3 posted on 06/28/2005 7:38:51 AM PDT by funkywbr
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To: rhema

This is just another step in the the 'rats war against Christianity. They'll start siezing churches 'for the greater good.'


4 posted on 06/28/2005 7:40:16 AM PDT by Right_at_RiceU (You don't need a gun to kill hippies, just soap or work.)
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To: BelegStrongbow

for sharing.


5 posted on 06/28/2005 7:43:00 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia; Constitution Day; JohnnyZ

I'm pinging you guys to this article b/c, IIRC, there was an effort by the city of Charlotte to "relocate" the reknowned Elmwood cemetery in order to make way for a rail line or something.

I would guess this ruling leaves nothing sacred - not even a resting place for the deceased.

Your thoughts?


6 posted on 06/28/2005 7:43:51 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: rhema

It's not nice to fool around with God. My take is the more religious organizations are squeezed, the more determination the religious people will become to rise up.

We religious folks can be pretty powerful when we're mad.


8 posted on 06/28/2005 7:47:08 AM PDT by peacebaby (We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.)
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To: rhema

The Governing Board of the National Council of Churches USA
invites you to join them in this call to pursue peace and justice in Iraq.

A Call to Speak Out.

July 4, 2005
This year our nation is at war as we observe the 4th of July, a day that honors those founders who spoke out for independence from tyranny. Today in Iraq a cruel dictator has been deposed, yet the suffering of the Iraqi people continues. Mandated elections have been held, yet the future of Iraq remains as uncertain as ever. Day by day the cost of this war for the United States, for Iraq, for peace grows clearer. No weapons of mass destruction have been found; no link to the attacks on September 11, 2001 has been shown. It has become clear that the rationale for invasion was at best a tragic mistake, at worst a clever deception.

As people of faith, we believe in the transcendent sovereignty and love of God for creation, and that the responsibility of human beings is thus to pursue justice and peace for all. We also believe that, as the biblical prophets of old, who in faithfulness to God spoke out to a people and a nation they loved, in humility before God we too are to speak to a land and people we love. As religious leaders we invite others who share our affections and dismay to recognize the time has come to speak out.

The time has come to say:

- NO to leaders who have sent many honorable sons and daughters to fight a dishonorable war;

- NO to the violence that has cost over seventeen hundred American lives, left thousands grievously injured, and killed untold numbers of Iraqis whose deaths we are unwilling to acknowledge or count;

- NO to the abuse of prisoners that has shamed our nation and damaged our reputation throughout the world;

- NO to the price tag for this war that has rendered our federal budget incapable of adequately caring for the poorest of our own citizens; and,

- NO to theologies that demonize other nations and religions while arrogantly claiming righteousness for ourselves as if we share no complicity in human evil.

The time has come to say:

- YES to foreign policies that seek justice rather than domination, compassion rather than control;

- YES to an early fixed timetable for the withdrawal of United States troops and the establishment of a credible multinational peacekeeping force;

- YES to the honoring of human rights even for our enemies and for a restoration of our reputation as a people committed to the rule of law;

- YES to spending and taxing priorities that put the poor first, providing health care, housing, employment, and quality education for all, not just the few; and,
- YES to a restoration of truth telling in the public square and to “last resort” rather than “first strike” as the criterion for the use of force to restrain evil.

On the day we celebrate our freedom, we acknowledge that the freedom promised in the toppling of a dictator has been replaced by the humiliation of occupation and the violence of a civil war. The sacrifice of brave men and women has been used to serve policies that have diminished our nation’s prestige and our capacity to be agents of justice in the world.

It is time to speak out that this 4th of July will celebrate the best ideals of our nation for our sake and for the sake of the world.

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9 posted on 06/28/2005 7:48:48 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: rhema
Government officials have now been granted central-planning and confiscatory powers that would make Stalin jealous. However, according to my research, it can be argued that confiscation of churches under eminent domain is covered under the Constitution and the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA) and is a violation the First and Fifth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. The Act prohibits local governments from applying generally applicable land use laws to buildings used for religious purposes, unless the government can prove a compelling interest justifies the law, and the law is the least restrictive means of achieving that purpose. It has stood up in several lower court rulings, such as Cottonwood Christian Center v. Cypress Redevelopment Agency and the City of Cypress. Whether that will stand up in the now out-of-control USSC court, given their recent rulings, remains to be seen.
14 posted on 06/28/2005 8:14:33 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: rhema
When they kick out your frontdoor
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?
This could be an eye-opener for the liberal clergy. Unfortunately, I expect almost 100% capitulation.
25 posted on 06/28/2005 8:34:18 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: rhema
"Because all houses of worship are tax-exempt

How much longer will that last?

26 posted on 06/28/2005 8:36:08 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: rhema
All of these churches who have been complaining about not being able to talk about politics without losing their tax-exempt status really irk me. They should have known that whenever you accept something from government there will be a payment required at some point. I sent a message to Coral Ridge Ministries asking them why they didn't just give up their tax-exempt status -- problem solved. No answer yet.

Carolyn

36 posted on 06/28/2005 9:50:28 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: anselmcantuar; sionnsar

Trad Ang ping list?


39 posted on 06/28/2005 8:08:30 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, protector of the Innocent, pray for us!)
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To: rhema

They can take all the liberal churches and ALL the mosques, as far as I'm concerned.


42 posted on 06/28/2005 10:12:11 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: rhema

All we have to do is put a Koran on every pew.


43 posted on 06/28/2005 10:21:21 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves..........)
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To: rhema; Pyro7480; Aquinasfan

With this ruling, someone enterprising needs to relieve Justices Kennedy, Bader Ginsburg, and the other abominations of their homes and land holdings in order to build something that will produce more tax revenue.


44 posted on 06/29/2005 12:50:01 AM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Maeve; NYer; Salvation; nickcarraway; Canticle_of_Deborah; nina0113; ArrogantBustard; sitetest; ...

ping


45 posted on 06/29/2005 12:52:06 AM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: rhema; ovrtaxt; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; Salem; ...
1984 will be here before you now it . .

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Religious institutions may be more vulnerable to takeover through eminent domain after Thursday's (June 23) Supreme Court ruling that gives local governments greater power to seize properties for private economic development, according to some religious and civil rights advocacy groups.

Churches, mosques, synagogues and other nonprofit religious entities are considered especially at threat because they generate no tax revenue for cities, while developments like hotels or shopping malls are seen to be economic boons for urban renewal projects.


58 posted on 06/29/2005 5:22:02 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: rhema

Private schools would also be affected in this fashion.


65 posted on 06/29/2005 7:41:29 AM PDT by RonF
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To: rhema

I attended a town hall meeting conducted by my local state representative (PA), and I was surprised by the opinions expressed at this meeting against tax-exempt properties who expect to benefit from municipal services. Ex: "If churches won't pay taxes, tell them the fire truck isn't coming."


69 posted on 06/29/2005 9:14:34 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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