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Kin mourn soldiers, brace for hate group (Westboro Baptist Church blame soldier's death on America)
The Boston Herald ^ | Monday, June 27, 2005 | By Tom Farmer

Posted on 06/27/2005 4:22:37 PM PDT by raybbr

A Green Beret killed in Afghanistan will be laid to rest in his native Marblehead today as police brace for the anticipated arrival of a Kansas hate group.

``We're in Massachusetts now and we will be in Marblehead,'' said Margie Phelps of the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church.

The WBC has blamed the 9/11 attacks and deaths of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan on America's tolerance of homosexuals. The group, which recently demonstrated outside local Catholic churches and public schools it deemed tolerant of homosexuality, has threatened to show up at services today for Army Staff Sgt. Christopher Piper, who was killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan this month.

The group's literature proclaims ``Thank God for IEDs (roadside bombs)'' and states that Piper and other slain soldiers were ``cast into Hell to join other dishonorable Americans.'' Officials in Marblehead and Chicopee, home of slain Marine Capt. John Maloney, have denounced the group's plans to demonstrate at the fallen heroes' funerals. Both men's families have said freedom of speech is something they died trying to protect. Maloney was killed by an IED in Iraq this month.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: fredphelps; godhatesfags; wbc; westborobaptist
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To: moog

"How in the world do they get homosexuality was the cause of 9/11....?"

Wasn't that what the very Rev. Fallwell said, too?


41 posted on 06/27/2005 5:09:12 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I'm really surprised Phelps hasn't teamed up with Chief Ward Churchill of the Cigar-store tribe to spew vile invective at grieving families. The Phelps-Churchill tour, coming to a military cemetery near you!

I sharply disagree with the posters who say he should be shut up. On the contrary, it is his free excercise of speech that has demonstrated for anyone with the eyes to see and the ears to hear that he is a contemptable fool with no credibility whatsoever. He should be ahsamed. Sadly, shame seems to have gone out of fashion.

The fallen soldiers Phelps has condemned to hell are in good company, for the Rev. Phelps has informed us that Pope John Paul II is safely in Satan's arms - to be joined someday by Benedict XVI.


42 posted on 06/27/2005 5:09:22 PM PDT by Bogolyubski (Republican Battle Cry: "Run away! Run away!")
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
You got that right. If they were proper Christians they would invite them into their church to find Jesus and repent their sinful ways, not drive them further away. God forgives all sin, -bar none- on meaningfull and sincere repentance.

They are Novatians- heretics, and are no closer to God than the sinner who has sinned the gravest of sins, and is unrepentant.
43 posted on 06/27/2005 5:10:06 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: truth_seeker

"How in the world do they get homosexuality was the cause of 9/11....?"

Wasn't that what the very Rev. Fallwell said, too?

I didn't ask that question, just replied to it. I think Falwell said it in a different way and certainly did not use it against soldiers, such as endorsing roadside bombs.


44 posted on 06/27/2005 5:11:49 PM PDT by moog
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
" Phelps did fund-raising for Al Gore's 1988 Presidential campaign.... I'm not so sure he wasn't invented by the left.

If Gore was a Republican, the NYT and AP would begin the story with:

"Former Al Gore campaigner Fred Phelps, who bankrolled Al Gore's debut into Presidential politics,.......

45 posted on 06/27/2005 5:13:26 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Callahan

It almost nakes me wonder......


46 posted on 06/27/2005 5:13:48 PM PDT by Bogolyubski (Republican Battle Cry: "Run away! Run away!")
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To: raybbr
These losers showed up at the military funeral of a young Army soldier killed in Iraq a couple weeks ago in a town near me. The mother of the soldier asked the public to basically ignore them as her son had died so all Americans, even these misguided fools, could have freedom of speech, etc. Everyone respected the mother's wishes, only about 24 of the church members showed up and even the local media pretty much ignored them. They didn't get the press they were hoping for.

Perhaps the poor mother came up with the best approach. Ignore them and they'll go away. No press, no lawsuits against the townspeople, etc.

47 posted on 06/27/2005 5:14:18 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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To: monkeywrench

Bingo!


48 posted on 06/27/2005 5:14:56 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: monkeywrench

I agree, they are a tool of the left. I think they are a cult, and give Baptists a bad name.


49 posted on 06/27/2005 5:18:20 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: FreeRep

The left wants to demonize Christians, insult military, and cause a demand for suppression of free speech. They sit around and dream up a group like this. It's a pattern with them through the years.


50 posted on 06/27/2005 5:21:23 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: monkeywrench
"This is a leftist group pretending to be Christians. They are a tool of the left."

I don't KNOW this to be true, but I darn sure suspect it. Years ago, when this "group" began to make headlines, the local lefty newspapers were only too happy to associate Phelps with any basic Bible believing church.

Actually, God loves "fags". It is the sin {and society's acceptance/ approval of homosexuality} that God hates.

51 posted on 06/27/2005 5:26:09 PM PDT by labette (If only common sense would be more common..)
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To: Lawgvr1955
That classy mother showed extreme grace under pressure.
God also works in mighty mysterious ways, especially regarding forgiveness and vengeance.
IMHO.
52 posted on 06/27/2005 5:26:49 PM PDT by sarasmom (Why nuke them when we can MOAB them?)
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To: Bogolyubski

On second thought, I'm going to slightly modify my stand on Phelps' first amendment rights. I don't think his right to demonstrate (which he has) gives him the right to violate the graveside service of a grieving military family. He should be allowed to demonstrate - on the other side of the cemetery, outside the gates on the sidewalk and out of sight and earshot of the family.

The soldiers being buried gave their lives for this nation - and the families are certainly due their privacy in this period of profound sorrow without being interrupted by a bunch of hooligans and idiots. That's a reasonable restriction of Phelps' free speech.


53 posted on 06/27/2005 5:27:41 PM PDT by Bogolyubski (Republican Battle Cry: "Run away! Run away!")
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To: monkeywrench

I'm beginning to think there is a real possibility that the Phelps gang is indeed a leftist front group. It does follow a classic leftist modus operandi. Time for the blogosphere to start investigating the Rev. Phelps!


54 posted on 06/27/2005 5:33:18 PM PDT by Bogolyubski (Republican Battle Cry: "Run away! Run away!")
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To: raybbr

Fred Phelps is and Antichrist. His vile, inbred automotans were out in front of a grade school a couple of weeks ago with their "God Hates Fags" and "Thank God for 9/11". Their reasoning is so twisted for these acts that it almost suggests parody. Phelps is a registerred Democrat and a disbarred attorney; if that doesn't scream Moveon.org I don't know what does!


55 posted on 06/27/2005 5:35:54 PM PDT by danno3150
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To: raybbr
I didn't see that. These people are sick. There should be some way to stop them.

Stop them? No. Free speech isn't always pretty. Shame them? No. They have no shame. But it is possible to show them up, and to show support for the families of the fallen soldiers.

The gay-rights activists in Laramie, Wyoming had a good approach to Phelps and his zealots at Matthew Sheppard's funeral. Dressed in angel costumes, they showed up and silently interposed themselves between the protesters and the family. With their backs turned to the protesters.

I don't know if that level of theater is necessary, but forming a buffer zone to let the families mourn in relative peace would be a worthwhile counterprotest.

56 posted on 06/27/2005 5:35:59 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Bogolyubski

They certainly fit the pattern. It's no accident that everything is being politicized. This is war.


57 posted on 06/27/2005 5:37:59 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

"This goes far beyond freedom of speech. It's akin to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater."

Is it legal to shout "MOVIE!" in a crowded fire station? :)


58 posted on 06/27/2005 5:39:15 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Bogolyubski

That's what I meant, it's an invasion of privacy, tresspassing, harrasment, causing a disturbance, just to name a few. A graveyard is NOT puiblic property, and a funeral is NOT a public event.
They can, and should be charged to the full extent of the law, and given the max. fines/or sentences.


59 posted on 06/27/2005 5:41:49 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Bogolyubski
The soldiers being buried gave their lives for this nation - and the families are certainly due their privacy in this period of profound sorrow without being interrupted by a bunch of hooligans and idiots. That's a reasonable restriction of Phelps' free speech.

Any private cemetery, like any other owner of private property, can decide who has access. Even a government cemetery, I'd think, could restrict access to folks who they feel are disruptive. Phelps and his minions have a right to protest on the nearest sidewalk or in the nearest public park, but not at graveside.

60 posted on 06/27/2005 5:42:14 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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