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Graham-Clinton Lovefest Irks Evangelical Big
NewsMax.com ^ | June 27, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/27/2005 7:16:38 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

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To: Carl/NewsMax
Arrrrgh.

This comes on the heels of a revelation about Richard Nixon's turning down an offered endorsement by Billy Graham in the 1960 election.

The story came from Monica Crowley in her Saturday morning progam on WABC radio.

Crowley, who was a sort of protege/amanuensis to Nixon in his last years, said that Nixon told her that he'd advised Graham not to announce a public endorsement.

Nixon urged Graham to stay neutral and apolitical because he feared a political endorsement would harm Graham's credibility.

Obviously no such scruples from The Slick One and Her Heinous.

101 posted on 06/27/2005 9:30:23 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: Justanobody
What President Bush said was nothing more than a diplomatic statement to avoid a worldwide religious clash. A clash that only the Islamofasists, and maybe the Israelites, are prepared for.>i/> I think we are already in a worldwide religious clash. I love President Bush, but I think he needs to be clearer in his statements and quit being wishy washy. He knows better. We are a Christian nation. Or at least we were in the beginning. If we went by your thinking, he'd get out and say homosexuality is ok. After all, he wouldn't want to make them mad. Ok I'm gonna get off this thread because it's gonna get crazy.
102 posted on 06/27/2005 9:32:48 AM PDT by queenkathy ("Eat a live toad first thing in the morning. Nothing worse can happen to you for the rest of the day)
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To: Justanobody
Oops! Please allow me to correct that above post...

What President Bush said was nothing more than a diplomatic statement to avoid a worldwide religious clash. A clash that only the Islamofasists, and maybe the Israelites, are prepared for.

I think we are already in a worldwide religious clash. I love President Bush, but I think he needs to be clearer in his statements and quit being wishy washy. He knows better. We are a Christian nation. Or at least we were in the beginning. If we went by your thinking, he'd get out and say homosexuality is ok. After all, he wouldn't want to make them mad. Ok I'm gonna get off this thread because it's gonna get crazy.

103 posted on 06/27/2005 9:37:59 AM PDT by queenkathy ("Eat a live toad first thing in the morning. Nothing worse can happen to you for the rest of the day)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
This is a terrible tragedy. What a gross, terrible way for Rev. Graham to end his career.

I hope and pray Billy Graham's wonderful son Franklin and his lovely daughter Anne call him up and say: "Dad, what were you thinking?"

104 posted on 06/27/2005 9:54:18 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: wideawake

Amen, and I am one who used to work for his organization. He disappointed me when Clinton was President and he (Graham) was on a show like Larry king, and I think it was Larry's show, he was asked to comment on the abortion issue, which Clinton and Hillary promote, and Graham would not go there, went around the mulberry bush and did not answer. Would not criticize Clinton.
Have been upset with him ever since.


105 posted on 06/27/2005 10:04:50 AM PDT by rose
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I missed the Crusade on TV (I've been sort of avoiding the tube lately), so this is the first I've heard of it.

Now showing a little class in such a situation, as Bush has done with der Schlichmiester, would certainly be appropriate - but stumping for Hitlarry is really beyond the pale; I would never have believed he'd do anything like that for a known consistant proponent of the secular leftist and prenatal infanticide agenda.

I'm sadly disapointed, to say the least.

Alas; senile dementia may at last be setting in with the old Evangelist.

Did he give the good old "Altar Call" one more time?

Did "Bev" Shea sing "Just As I Am"?

Did people come forward for Jesus... or Hillary?

Oh; one more thing;

Did the busses have to wait... again?
(Did they have Kerry stickers on the rear bumpers?)

It is truly amazing what institutions and movements the Marxists are capable of infiltrating and commandeering, isn't it?

God save America!


106 posted on 06/27/2005 10:08:18 AM PDT by Uncle Jaque (Vigilance!)
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To: queenkathy
I've been trying to put this is perspective...I can't

Here is the perspective.

Billy Graham is a Christian who is better than most at heeding Matthew 22:37-40:

Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Don't let human politics blind you into believing we're only supposed to love Republicans.
107 posted on 06/27/2005 10:12:16 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Guess that means as a former Rainbow girl, member of the Eastern Star, granddaughter, daughter, and mother of Masons I'm going straight to hell!!

So be it - Proudly I go!!

BTW, every man I have ever met who is a mason, no matter what age, all agree that their 1st degree was one of , it not the most, meaningful events in their lives!!

Well, looks like heaven's going to be a very empty place.


108 posted on 06/27/2005 10:15:27 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I knew there was more than one reason I've always ignored Graham.


109 posted on 06/27/2005 10:16:43 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: mountaineer
... (YOU ASKED)what would Jesus do? Did He avoid contact with the vilest of sinners?

No. Jesus sought out sinners.

But he certainly did not embrace the adulterous woman at the well(she was about to be stoned) by calling her a "great wife".

No. Jesus loved and showed her respect, and admonished her to 'go and sin no more.'

While it certainly not be appropriate for Billy Graham to publically tell Clinton and Rodham to stop sinning, it would not have been out of bounds to mention that Bill and Hillary, despite the enormous power and money they obtained, are sinners like the rest of us ... and in need of Christ's salvation.

To proclaim to the world that Bill and Hillary are a "great couple" and she should be "running the country" is a slap in the face to all humble Bible-believing Christians who are faithful to each other and live by the rules.

How can Graham not see that Clinton and Rodham have built their political lives on disparaging and ridiculing the lives of church-going Christians.

In fact, I am already having a hard time respecting Billy Graham Ministries as much as I did prior to this past weekend.

110 posted on 06/27/2005 10:48:15 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: KosmicKitty
BTW, every man I have ever met who is a mason, no matter what age, all agree that their 1st degree was one of , it not the most, meaningful events in their lives!!

Wow. That's pathetic.

Reminds me of those losers who remember getting their varsity letter as the high point of their lives, or the jokers who see meeting their favorite celebrity as a defining moment in their existence.

Well, looks like heaven's going to be a very empty place.

Seeing that Masons constitute a very tiny percentage of the historical human population, it wouldn't be particularly noticeable if no Masons or all Masons made it there.

It's like saying Heaven sure would be an empty place without Slovenians.

111 posted on 06/27/2005 10:57:34 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Uncle Jaque
God save America!
He is the only one that can. If My people will humble themselves ...
112 posted on 06/27/2005 10:58:35 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: wideawake
Wow. That's pathetic.

Since youi OBVIOUSLY don't know what happens there, you are the pathetic one making a statement about something that you have no knowledge of.

Seeing that Masons constitute a very tiny percentage of the historical human population, it wouldn't be particularly noticeable if no Masons or all Masons made it there.

Well, I assume that you believe that anyone who doesn't share your narrow view of the "correct" way to worship, Catholic, Jews, most Protestants, and on, and on, won't be there, then yes, your Heaven is going to be very empty.

Must be nice to have such a direct line to God that you can be so certain in your condemnation of everyone else.

113 posted on 06/27/2005 11:07:26 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
He then quipped that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Run or Ruin?

114 posted on 06/27/2005 11:13:00 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: KosmicKitty
Since youi OBVIOUSLY don't know what happens there, you are the pathetic one making a statement about something that you have no knowledge of.

the silly playacting trust game of the 1st degree is well-known to (1) anyone within walking distance of a research library and (2) anyone who was convinced to join the Lodge and then left that silly organization.

Few "secrets" are as well-known as the 1st degree.

Well, I assume that you believe that anyone who doesn't share your narrow view of the "correct" way to worship, Catholic, Jews, most Protestants, and on, and on, won't be there, then yes, your Heaven is going to be very empty.

That's your extrapolation - you have no clue as to what soteriological doctrine I hold.

My point was that comparatively few people in human history have been Masons - Heaven with or without Masons wouldn't be noticeably populated any more or any less.

One hardly needs a direct line to God to realize that Masonry is a silly waste of time.

115 posted on 06/27/2005 11:15:31 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
My point was that comparatively few people in human history have been Masons

Hmm, interesting, isn't it how many of the Founding Fathers, framers of our Constitution, were Masons.

One hardly needs a direct line to God to realize that Masonry is a silly waste of time.

Oh, I guess that they're just silly men who were wasting their time

116 posted on 06/27/2005 11:21:48 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: KosmicKitty
Hmm, interesting, isn't it how many of the Founding Fathers, framers of our Constitution, were Masons.

Masonry was extremely fashionable back then and being a Mason in colonial Virginia was about as important as being a member of the local country club was in the 1950s.

Whacking a tiny ball around a field with a metal club all day seems kind of pointless too, but you do what you need to do to keep up with the Joneses.

Oh, I guess that they're just silly men who were wasting their time

Insofar as they were able to use Masonic lodges as venues for political activity it was a good use of their time.

Insofar as they were using their time to prance around in decorative smocks, they were wasting it.

117 posted on 06/27/2005 11:30:56 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: mountaineer

You've got the wrong model. How did Christ treat the Pharisees - the corrupt and ungodly rulers?


118 posted on 06/27/2005 11:42:39 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: wideawake
Insofar as they were able to use Masonic lodges as venues for political activity it was a good use of their time. Insofar as they were using their time to prance around in decorative smocks, they were wasting it.

And so does trying to teach a pig to sing

It is pointless to waste my time anymore with someone so prejudice - you are free to have your beliefs and I am free to mine.

119 posted on 06/27/2005 11:43:40 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: KarlInOhio

snake-oil salesman, too.


120 posted on 06/27/2005 11:55:25 AM PDT by go-ken-go
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