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To: EBH
"We know why all the other civilizations have collapsed--from an excess of welfare, of richness, and from lack of morality, of spirituality." (She uses "welfare" here in the sense of well-being, so she is talking, really, of decadence.) "The moment you give up your principles, and your values . . . the moment you laugh at those principles, and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period."

So true. And you are following that path, because you don't know your history.
The only "religion" that has committed horrable atrocities because of it's doctrine is Islam.

Show me where in Christian/judism biblical scripture it says to commit horrible atrocities. It's man that commits horrible atrocities, and the most horrible of them in history has been by athiests. Yes, there have been periods where misguided people have missused the power of religion to commit atrocities, but they certainly were not inspired by scriptyre as is Islam.

If anything, Christianity has prevented atrocities, and became the glue which held Europe together, and it grew up as a result. Now they are abandoning that common bonding influence and are falling apart.

22 posted on 06/26/2005 4:32:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
""Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder," the historian Arnold Toynbee wrote, and these words could certainly be Ms. Fallaci's. She is in a black gloom about Europe and its future: "The increased presence of Muslims in Italy, and in Europe, is directly proportional to our loss of freedom.""

Europe needs more people like her, who aren't afraid to speak the truth. So does America.

23 posted on 06/26/2005 4:40:05 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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