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To: hershey
"But would I prefer the destruction of those sites one way or another to Israel's destruction, yes."

Your thinking is one-tracked.

How about..."I would prefer that Iran and Israel come to some sort of peaceful resolution of their differences."

Also, I can prove scientifically, empirically, legally, and any other way that is necessary, that violence is not innate from birth. Because I know this to be the case I also know that problems can be resolved without violence. I do also know however that if two people are trying to make peace and another wants to destroy that trust-building, the third person must be stopped. Peace building is multi-faceted. The key is to use as little violent force as possible. i.e.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

76 posted on 06/26/2005 5:07:29 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

Your words make no sense in this situation, and if you truly think Iran is willing to go off hand in hand with Israel into the sunset, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to you. We're not dealing with people who long to make peace. Palestinians desire the total, irrevocable annihilation of Israel. This mindset is drilled into those innocent young Palestinians, kept in miserable camps for years and years, denied proper education and a decent living because Arafat stole most of the aid money and put it in Swiss banks. His interests lay not with a prosperous, satisfied peaceful people. Once as they were enslaved by poverty and ignorance, they were a reservoir for the intifada and any other homicidal mischief he could think of.

Islam has wider ambitions, and they include the worldwide elimination of Jews and anyone else they disagree with. The Koran allows, encourages lying, dishonesty when it comes to signing treaties with infidels, and that's most of the western world.

I'd like to believe Iran has nothing but peace on her mind, but I read statements by their newly elected leader, and I'm not sanguine about that. And when faced with a determined enemy, especially one busy building nukes and long range missiles, it's best not to be a foolish.

Israel is a beard, the handy excuse for attacking western civilization. If Israel disappeared overnight, Iran and the rest of Islamofacism would come up with something else to be furious about. (The total destruction of the US, for instance, and I believe that's been mentioned in some detail in various al Quaeda documents.) Let's face it, the UN is worse than useless. We can't expect them to act as honest brokers.

Nobody said violence is innate from birth. I pointed out that violence, murder, and death has been drilled into young, impressionable Arab minds as the one and only solution to Israel. It's part of the school curriculum. They start in on these kids early and often. Normal children don't march around in lockstep in staged rallies for tv consumption, shouting death to Israel, etc. Normal children don't strap on bomb vests, etc.. Normal, decent adults don't do this to kids. They don't use them as cannon fodder. And they don't speak of women as 'useful', as if they're no better than the family goat.

This isn't a parlor game, my friend. This is very, very serious. One side wants peace and worldwide prosperity, the other has a more deadly agenda in mind.


89 posted on 06/26/2005 5:56:22 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

"Also, I can prove scientifically, empirically, legally, and any other way that is necessary, that violence is not innate from birth."

The poster doth protest a bit much methinks. You may show some research which supports your conclusions, but prove them, I doubt it.

You are getting into the mode where absolute statements are acceptable in discourse. Sorry, can't go there with you. There are exceptions which prove every rule. Man is flawed from his inception. Until that is no longer true, your contention will not hold water.


131 posted on 06/28/2005 9:02:59 AM PDT by lifelongsoldier (Blessed art Thou oh LORD our GOD, King of the universe, and blessed are Thy chosen people.)
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