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They Still Blame America First
The Weekly Standard ^ | 07/04/05 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 06/25/2005 6:33:07 AM PDT by Pokey78

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1 posted on 06/25/2005 6:33:07 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
To bad the liberal media in NY did not even show the generals and the Sec of Defense testify.

The public has no idea what is going on in Iraq.

Just the way the Dems like it.
2 posted on 06/25/2005 6:39:48 AM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: Pokey78

The Democrat Party in general is run by a bunch of Liberals who are against anything and are for nothing but obstruction.
They are evil and foam at the mouth like rabid dogs.
Howard Dean is the ideal leader for them because regardless of what their leaders say they espouse his views.The party in general is ruled by a group of people that are no different than Southern Plantation owners and their leadership style shows it. They are truly a National disgrace in my opinion.


3 posted on 06/25/2005 6:40:50 AM PDT by gunnedah
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This prompted a sharp rebuke from General George Casey, the top commander in Iraq. "You have an insurgency with no vision, no base, limited popular support, an elected government, committed Iraqis to the democratic process, and you have Iraqi security forces that are fighting and dying for their country every day," Casey said. "Senator, that is not a quagmire."

That's strange. I heard Ted Kennedy's comments repeated over and over on the radio news, but not General Casey's. I wonder why?

4 posted on 06/25/2005 6:47:15 AM PDT by Logophile
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...an insurgency with no vision, no base, limited popular support

I wish this were true - but it isn't. We're fighting a very, very dangerous enemy with a clear (flawed) vision and much popular support throughout the Muslim and Arab world. It will be a long, hard fight. Bin Ladin thinks we cannot fight this way and are sure to lose.

5 posted on 06/25/2005 6:47:30 AM PDT by liberallarry
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FDR and LBJ may have had rather left-wing economic policies, but nobody seriously doubted their commitments to defending the country. No one ever doubted Truman or JFK, either.

The New Left destroyed the Democratic party's political strength.
6 posted on 06/25/2005 6:50:59 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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The minority of people who hate their country need to have a political party to join. It might as well be the stupid RATS.


7 posted on 06/25/2005 6:52:32 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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The girly men look feminine in front of our enemies. Their hysterical manners persuade Americans they're not up to the job of defending our country. When it comes to national security, the Democrats are usually their own worst enemy.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
8 posted on 06/25/2005 6:55:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: roses of sharon

Its worse. The media showed clips and told the story of how the generals were saying no progress has been made against the insurgency!


9 posted on 06/25/2005 7:08:58 AM PDT by dalight
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They never had a good word to say about this war from Day One. Any good news threatens them and you can rest assured they do will do their best to ignore it.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
10 posted on 06/25/2005 7:12:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: dalight

SSSSSSHHHHHHH, Fred. Don't give them any advice . . . please. Let them continue their harangues against our military. Stand back and watch them destroy themselves.


11 posted on 06/25/2005 7:12:57 AM PDT by Galtoid
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To: roses of sharon
Fortunately, alternative media is countering MSM bias.

Rush Limbaugh, I think it was, talked about "water cooler news", which is what happens the day after news reports on MSM. People talk about news at the office. Before widespread alternative media the only source of information was MSM, and that, of course, meant that liberals in media controlled the gate, so to speak. The few alternatives were easily ridiculed or falsely discredited by MSM talking heads.

Now, a whole new "army" of persons informed by alternative media stand at the cooler with their old-fashioned MSM colleagues. Water cooler news now has other viewpoints, and when facts countering MSM bias are discussed, doubt about MSM reliability begin. MSM influence was and is on the downward spiral, and its refusal to change adds to its ruinous inertia.

"The Public" is less informed that those who frequent the blogosphere and sites like Free Republic, that's true. But it is not as propagandized as it used to be. And while support for the Iraqi war has dwindled, support for the national defense has not.

The challenge for the President is to clearly demonstrate the connection between Iraq and radical Islamism, and how a democracy in that region will dissipate Islamist power throughout the world. That is the truth about the Iraq war. Islamists crashed into the World Trade Center on 9-11 starting this war. It is radical Islamism that we seek to defeat, not a nation or a people, and Iraq is the front in that war.

The people of Iraq are committed to liberty; in Sunni areas mainly are terrorists killing civilians, with prosperity returning to (non-Sunni) areas. Satellite dishes are popping up, cell phones are everywhere, automobile traffic is swelling.

Iraqis themselves are now patrolling city streets. They are finding and apprehending or killing the enemies of their fledgling nation, both solo and with U.S. personnel. They only need more time to consolidate the recovery and rebuilding of everything Ba'athists destroyed while ruling Iraq.

We are winning at that front in the war on terror, and to abandon it, or to impair victory with an announcement to our enemies that we will abandon it on a certain future date, as liberals wish us to do, is patently stupid. It is as if liberals do not want the U.S. to be victorious.

These are the facts we, the public, need to discuss at the water cooler.

13 posted on 06/25/2005 7:41:47 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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The Democrats just do not get it.

People are tired of war...BUT

People also know that Congress approved this war, that these are our own sons and daughters they sent to fight this war, and that now the Democrats in Congress are undermining them while they are on the front lines of this war. Also the cost of the war and the federal deficit have people very concerned, but the fact is the US economy is strong, despite the efforts of Russia, China, EU, OPEC.

The Democrats and anti-Americans in this war seem to be angling for an eventual replay of the fall of Saigon. They seem to forget that many of the people who vote understand that and I think it represents a rotten plank in the already weakened political platform that the Democrats are standing on.

14 posted on 06/25/2005 8:09:21 AM PDT by concrete is my business (build a foundation of superior strength)
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To: liberallarry

Yeah, you know more than our generals, of course. And Bush is dumb and has big ears and can't pronounce nuclear.

STFU. Big Pussy.


15 posted on 06/25/2005 8:12:17 AM PDT by Husker8877
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To: TheGeezer
I like your post.

Do you think we could also be training mujahadeen we will eventually have to fight?

16 posted on 06/25/2005 8:15:54 AM PDT by concrete is my business (build a foundation of superior strength)
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To: roses of sharon

The liberal media only shows what they think will help The democrats. But there are more outlets for the news and by and large fewer people are going to traditional news outlets as a result of their bias and dishonesty.


17 posted on 06/25/2005 8:30:58 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: roses of sharon

But .. on Tuesday night the President will be addressing the country - and I suspect it will be a humdinger.


18 posted on 06/25/2005 8:40:44 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Logophile

But .. over on FOX, they played Casey's statement over and over - right after the Kennedy statement.


19 posted on 06/25/2005 8:41:58 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: liberallarry

I would disagree with only one point - the terrorists do have a vision .. to keep Iraq from becomming a democracy.

However, they really have no base anymore - because we have killed or captured most of it .. and there is NO POPULAR SUPPORT for the terrorists. Since the election, more and more Iraqi citizens are turning in the terrorists .. and in fact .. because of that we have discovered tons of weapons, bomb making facilities, safe houses, etc. - all of that from citizens who are sick and tired of the terrorists.


20 posted on 06/25/2005 8:46:00 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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