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Russia will preserve its positions in Iran under any president
RIA Novosti - Russian News and Information Agency ^ | June 25, 2005 | Pyotr Goncharov

Posted on 06/25/2005 2:08:26 AM PDT by familyop

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To: Tailgunner Joe
Reagan was a jihadist cheerleader for fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Wrong, try again, never will you find anything even close to that, as much as you might take a word or three out of context with your spiteful drivel added to them. Oh wait, I'm still waiting on the definitive proof that I am a 1. Stalinst supporter (go ahead post your little tripe again so I can easily disprove it and show you for what you are a 5th time, I love doing it, it's soooooo dang easy) and 2. an anti-semite. Oh wait, no proof? What else is new?

21 posted on 06/26/2005 6:30:27 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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Not to mention you defend Russia's ally Iran and even defended Basayev's jihad against Georgian Christians in Abkhazia. You are the jihadist cheerleader, tovarisch.


22 posted on 06/26/2005 6:45:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Not to mention you defend Russia's ally Iran and even defended Basayev's jihad against Georgian Christians in Abkhazia. You are the jihadist cheerleader, tovarisch.

Have your horns gronw in yet? You accuse me of being an ultraRussian nationalist in one lieing breath and a supporter of the biggest Jihadi and most wanted man in Russia in another. Even your lies aren't consistent. I defended the right of the Abhazian and S.Ossessian Christians to succeed from Georgia, the nation that was trying to exterminate them.

As for Iran, damn you couldn't find one post where I support the Mullahs, slanderer. I'm still waiting for my anti-semitism posts, where is your proof. Know this, never will I let you live that down. Everyone who doesn't know you nature, will.

23 posted on 06/26/2005 7:29:00 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: jb6
That's exactly the irony! You accuse others of helping jihad but you defend Russia's slaughter of Abkhazian Christians. You defended Basayev's bloody jihad when he was a Russian soldier, but that evil came back to bite Russia!

I stand by my assertions. You are a compulsive liar, a Stalin apologist, Russian imperialist, and yes a Russian racial supremacist anti-semite! Anyone who wants to can read your posts and see this is true or read the posts of your previously banned alter ego RussianConservative Your lies will never go unchallenged here, comrade.

24 posted on 06/26/2005 7:44:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: familyop

It's going to take a massive political blunder for us to encroach on Russia's sphere of influence which includes Iran. Whose blunder? There are many possibilities.


25 posted on 06/26/2005 7:47:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Romanov; GarySpFc; Lion in Winter; A. Pole; MarMema
You accuse others of helping jihad but you defend Russia's slaughter of Abkhazian Christians.

What are you babbling about? You can't even keep your lies straight. Russia slaughtered Abkhazian Christians? Are you totaly nuts? 90% of Abhazians have Russian citizenship and its Russian troops that keep the Georgians from trying to finish their earlier attempts.

You defended Basayev's bloody jihad when he was a Russian soldier, but that evil came back to bite Russia!

When exactly was Baseyov a Russian soldier? Was that before the ETs built the pyramids?

I stand by my assertions.

Yup and that's all you can do by your "assertions", because you can't ever prove a damn one of them. All you are capable of is lieing and slander against me and dozens of other Freepers.

You are a compulsive liar, a Stalin apologist, Russian imperialist, and yes a Russian racial supremacist anti-semite!

Prove it, still waiting. This is what, thread 12 or 13 you've repeated the same lies, never to produce. You'd make any democrap proud.

As for your RussianConservative crap you're getting just as tired with that as the rest of your accusations. Zero proof and lots of wasted bandwidth. Put up or shut up.

26 posted on 06/26/2005 9:36:51 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: jb6
Abkhazia is in Georgia, not Russia, maybe you can't read a map. The Abkhazians who have Russians citizenship are separatists aligned to Russia. Russia has UN "peacekeepers" supporting separatists in Georgia! You cry about international support of the Chechens, but condone Russia's support for jihadists in Georgia's civil war! Then you wonder why the whole world considers Russia an aggressive criminal rogue nation.

You spend so much time manufacturing totally made up lies about Russia's enemies that you don't even know the truth about the butcher of Beslan! He is a Russian-trained killer! He is their Frankenstein's monster!

Beslan reveals revolting Chechen Che

FACE OF FUTURE BATTLE: CHECHEN FIGHTER SHAMIL BASAYEV

27 posted on 06/26/2005 9:49:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Abkhazia is in Georgia, not Russia, maybe you can't read a map. The Abkhazians who have Russians citizenship are separatists aligned to Russia.

Ok, I'll speak slowly for the challenged: Abhazians and S.Ossessian were being exterminated by the Georgians who in 1992 were out to Georgianize their nation, which was 40% minority. But you know this and are now trying to weasal your way out of another of a legion of screw ups. Haha.

Having agreed in a previous post that Abhazians were Christians, why exactly would the Islamics support them?

Then you wonder why the whole world considers Russia an aggressive criminal rogue nation

Really? Like which nations? Like the Bush Administration? So tell us how Bush is wrong and you are right. Or is Bush just lacking your wisdom, that is Bush, Cheney, Rice? Well, why haven't you joined a think tank or are not on Fox or running for president, since you have this great insite that our president and his advisors lack.

28 posted on 06/26/2005 9:58:03 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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But you know this

No I don't know any such thing. I certainly have no reason to believe your word for it!

The Chechens support the islamic minority in Abkhazia. That's why they went there at Russia's behest to slaughter the Christians.

President Bush is right when he says that Russia should not help Iran get nukes. Russia is wrong when she says she'll get away with it anyway.

29 posted on 06/26/2005 10:03:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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He is a Russian-trained killer!

He was a Soviet conscript. I know a hate filled entity like yourself couldn't tell the difference, why bother.

30 posted on 06/26/2005 10:05:09 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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That's why they went there at Russia's behest to slaughter the Christians

Put down the crack pipe.

President Bush is right when he says that Russia should not help Iran get nukes

Nice attempt to extricate your foot from the back of your throat. Sorry, but Bush also said he considered Russia a friend and had looked into Putin's eyes. Oh you remember that. Must have driven you nuts. So tell us how much it drove you nuts, how much it made you steam over what Bush said. Come on, let the hate out, you're good at it.

31 posted on 06/26/2005 10:07:11 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: jb6

It was Russia for whom he took Georgian Christian heads in the early nineties.


32 posted on 06/26/2005 10:07:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jb6

The only hate here is coming from you, bigot! Hate, hate, hate, racist, hate. You're like a damned broken record. Keep playing the race card Reverend Al.


33 posted on 06/26/2005 10:09:26 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: familyop
In 1992 the commanders of the Russian 58th army in the northern Caucasus had one name on their lips: Shamil Basayev. To them Basayev was the latest epiphany of the legendary Chechen fighter immortalised in the works of Lermontov and Tolstoy.

In his late twenties then, Basayev was fighting to detach Abkhazia, a Muslim region, from Georgia, one of the 15 republics that had emerged from the disintegration of the Soviet Union. Within a year 250,000 ethnic Georgian Christians were driven out of Abkhazia. Moscow was pleased. The dismemberment of Georgia was part of the Kremlin's strategy of weakening the newly independent republics.

What the Russian generals did not know at the time was that, a year later, the same Basayev would turn his guns against them by triggering a secessionist war in Chechnya. Over the next decade Basayev emerged as Moscow's public enemy number one, now with a $10m (£5.5m) prize on his head. - LINK


34 posted on 06/26/2005 10:54:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: familyop
Actually, the Chechen Islamics, for the most part, are not much like other Islamists and don't get along with them. They're much less zealous, more likely to curse, drink, and so forth. They also fought a war against the Russians for independence through the '90s. Russia is more concerned about getting the real estate back than about terrorism.

You must be smoking some of that funny smelling weed. I can tell you for a fact the Chechens are in the forefront as members of al-Qaeda. The majority of foreign fighters found in Iraq are now Chechens, not Saudis.
35 posted on 06/27/2005 6:08:52 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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Aw, look at who's talkin'--he who tried to feed us the story that the device found in the Nord-Ost incident was a 155 mm round. Bull...or you don't know your devices, self-described instructor.


36 posted on 06/27/2005 12:35:58 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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Aw, look at who's talkin'--he who tried to feed us the story that the device found in the Nord-Ost incident was a 155 mm round. Bull...or you don't know your devices, self-described instructor.

And who said it was not a 155 mm round? BTW, I am not a self-described instructor, but a former Special Forces demolitions expert.
37 posted on 06/27/2005 12:57:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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I am saying that it's very doubtful. No 155 mm round traveled that far from where 155s are stored/laying. ...your way of blaming the USA or Europe for the Nord-Ost BS? I also doubt your credibility after your description of "expert" to describe yourself, not to mention your lack of knowledge on the general main purpose of SF.


38 posted on 06/27/2005 1:15:15 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: GarySpFc; BringBackMyHUAC; Tailgunner Joe

Let's focus on your falsehood. You tell us how a 155 mm round got all the way to the Nord-Ost Theatre. The only such round that the Russians had was brand new and for sale but hadn't gone anywhere, yet (no way it went to Chechnya and back). The only likely way that such a round wouldn't been put in that theatre would be an intentional implication of a NATO country by officials there.

The only such round that would have been available in abundance (if any) to the Chechens (if they had such an artie unit in the Russian Army) would have been the 152 mm.


39 posted on 06/27/2005 1:22:28 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop
Go to the Special Forces Association page listed below, and scroll down to Gary N. Butner

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1312/members.html

Would a couple of pictures of me in my uniform suffice?

http://home.kc.rr.com/thebutners/Special%20Forces.htm

Maybe you would like to see my name listed on our high school website as a Nam veteran? BTW, scroll down to the name "Dick Myers." That is an old high school buddy, General Richard Myers to you.
40 posted on 06/27/2005 1:23:04 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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