Posted on 06/25/2005 2:08:26 AM PDT by familyop
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I thought Putin had plenty of Islamowacky trouble already at home (Chechnya). He wants more abroad too?
Actually, the Chechen Islamics, for the most part, are not much like other Islamists and don't get along with them. They're much less zealous, more likely to curse, drink, and so forth. They also fought a war against the Russians for independence through the '90s. Russia is more concerned about getting the real estate back than about terrorism.
And the state-owned publications in Russia are still running the same photo from the Beslan incident. News about the whole thing continues to be really weird.
Eyewitness Reports from Beslan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243326/posts
Second Beslan Reporter Drugged
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212718/posts
Russia will support Iran because, as every European analyst has commented on for more that four centuries, Russia is Asian, not European. It has been, is, and probably ever shall be an Oriental Despotism. The old aporism that "scratch a Russian and a Tartar bleeds" still holds true.
LEST WE FORGET...
Just as the PLO does not represent palestinian or Arab interests, the "Islamic fundamentalists" are not religious in nature. Rather, all these organizations have been created, supported, and directed by the Communists, operating on orders emanating from Moscow.
The terrorist group Hezballah, and its official sponsor, the government of Iran, provide a case in point.
Because of media distortion, the Ayatollah Khomeini was seen in the west as a fanatic religious leader. But the Iraqi family of the Grand Ayatollah Muhsen Hakim-Tabataba'i, which in the 1960s and 1970s exercised leadership over the Shi'ite movement of Islam, opposed Khomeini so thoroughly that they worked closely with the Shah of Iran. Saddam Hussein, the Soviet-backed dictator of Iraq, murdered the family at his first opportunity, thereby eliminating Shi'ite opposition to Khomeini.5
Khomeini's revolutionary movement was known as "Islamic Marxism," a movement begun from within the Russian Bolshevik Party in 1916.6 During the 1970s, the Soviet Union mobilized its resources to organize a revolution in Iran, with Khomeini as its official leader. Khomeini's brother was serving time in prison as a member of the Tudeh Party—the Communist Party of Iran; Khomeini's intimate advisor, Sadegh Ghothzadeh, was an affiliate of the French and Italian Communist Parties. Soon the Soviets were broadcasting pro-Khomeini propaganda into Iran, while they began publishing a well-funded revolutionary magazine entitled Navid, meaning "Good News." KGB agents working among the 4,000 Soviet personnel in Iran coordinated the protests and riots, and the Tudeh Party, acting on Soviet orders, openly backed the "Islamic" revolution and created a broad coalition of the Left to support Khomeini.7
Moscow also mobilized the PLO to back Khomeini. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, led by self-proclaimed Marxist Leninist George Habash, supplied training and weapons to the Feda'iyin-e Khalq, the Iranian Islamic-Marxist terrorist group that began the revolution to overthrow the Shah. Meanwhile, Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization trained and armed the Mujahedin-e Khalq, another main pillar of Khomeini's revolution, and it trained future members of the Revolutionary Guards of Iran, including the Minister of the Guards later appointed by Khomeini.8
Once Khomeini seized power in Iran, Arafat brought a large delegation of PLO officials into the country, where "he was formally given the Israeli consulate building and, raising the Palestinian flag over it, opened the first PLO office, also appointing a PLO 'ambassador' to Iran."9 The Soviet Union and Communist China have since continued to arm Iran with weapons.
Khomeini immediately created Hezballah as an international terrorist wing of the PLO-trained Revolutionary Guards. Inside Iran, Hezbellah worked closely with Iranian Communist organizations in consolidating the regime's power. The terrorist training camps in Iran have been supervised by Mostafa Chamran Savehi, a follower of Trotskyite Communism who, as a student in Berkeley, California during the 1960s, founded such Islamic-Marxist groups as Red Shi'ism and the Muslim Students' Association of America. The instructors at the Iranian terrorist camps have been Communist experts from North Korea and Syria, as well as Iranians trained by the PLO and the Communist government of Iraq.10
The organizer of Hezballah in Pakistan and Lebanon, Abbas Zamani, was also trained by the PLO and has been identified as a probable agent of the KGB.11 In Lebanon, Hezballah's terrorist mastermind has been Immad Mugniyeh. For years Mugniyeh was a leading member of Yasser Arafat's Force 17, an arm of Fatah. When the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 forced the PLO to leave, Arafat had Mugniyeh and other members of Force 17 switch over to Hezballah, allowing these terrorists to remain in Lebanon. Mugniyeh quickly became the effective head of Hezballah, and has coordinated Hezballah-PLO terrorism to this day. On Arafat's orders, the PLO transfers weapons, money, and terrorist units to Hezballah, while Hezballah has provided intelligence and other logistical support to the PLO—including helping PLO units infiltrate into Lebanon.12
Full link:
http://www.attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_iswr2_muslim.htm
Just like we support the Saudies, Pakistanies, KLA and PLO. Never said any of these policies were any bit smart.
Yes, that's why their bodies litter Afghanistan and the Paki border. That's why a Chechen blew up the USS Cole. That's why Chechens sit in Gitmo. That's why Chechens are heard on the kidnap/beheading videos from Iraq.
Tell us another story.
Lay off the lead in the diet.
Oh, and by the way, did the communists set up the Mujahadjin Islamic warriors in Afghanistan too? You know, the ones sponsored by Carter and Reagan and killing Soviets. Gads, your posts bare 1-2% fact and the rest is Pluto level fantasy.
...Arabs from Chechnya. Many Arabs from "Great Britain" have fought our soldiers, and quite a few have been captured. That doesn't mean that all Britons are involved in the Jihad, although most are sympathetic with terrorists against Israel (as the Russian Foreign Minister proclaimed the same sentiment). Anyone who wants to learn more can read-up on the topic.
THE 'CHECHEN ARABS': AN INTRODUCTION TO THE REAL AL QAEDA TERRORISTS FROM CHECHNYA
http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=400&issue_id=2899&article_id=23470
Russian FM To Israel: Chechnya No, Palestine and Iranian Nukes Yes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210302/posts
==Oh, and by the way, did the communists set up the Mujahadjin Islamic warriors in Afghanistan too?
ANSWER (everyone would do well to remember this):
Soviet Islamists in Afghanistan
Russia has long traditions in the political art of provocation, dating back to the imperial age, when the secret police finally lost track of its own web of "agents provocateurs", who successfully infiltrated and compromised opposition parties by committing themselves to so serious crimes, that they could just as well be considered revolutionaries in police disguise. Provocations were adopted by the Soviet secret services, and widely used in the "ethnic conflicts" that appeared suddenly in Central Asia and the Caucasus, between 1987 and 1993. (See: Caucasus...!)
Provocations were exercised already during the invasion of Afghanistan, as has been recently (in February 2002) revealed by Vasili Mitrokhin, a KGB officer from 1956 to 1984, who prepared a secret report in 1987 and defected to Britain in 1992. He describes "false flag" operations, where "Soviet-trained Afghan guerrilla units posed as CIA-supported, anti-Soviet mujahidin rebels [Islamic freedom-fighters] to create confusion and flush out genuine rebels". In January 1983, there were 86 such "false bands", trained by KGB officer V. Kikot of the 8th Department of the "Directorate S". Kikot was transferred from Cuba, and was acquainted with training Palestinian terrorists. There were also over 110 agents infiltrated in Iran and over 200 agents in Pakistan, including Murtaza Bhutto, son of the former president and brother of the future prime minister. (WP 24.2.2002; IHT 25.2.2002)
Former KGB general Oleg Kalugin assured correctly on a BBC World News TV discussion on September 23rd, 2001, that there were more terrorists of al-Qayda who had been trained by the KGB than by the CIA, but his words were not taken seriously by other debaters, who preferred to blame the prevailing poverty in Palestinian refugee camps, American non-involvement there, American involvement in assisting Afghan freedom-fighters in the 1980s, and global inequality, as breeding-grounds for terrorism. For some reason, logically inconsistent and practically unfounded theories remain far more popular in western media than the simple facts confessed by top-ranking ex-Soviet officials.
Afghan freedom fighters recognized Gulbuddin Hikmatyar as a KGB provocateur already by 1985. Two-thirds of the conflicts between Afghan guerrilla factions were caused by KGB provocation. (Bradsher, p. 295; Afghanistan..., p. 203-227 and 395) This should have been no surprise, since Hikmatyar is told to have spent four years in the Afghan communist party (PDPA) before becoming a "devout" Muslim. (http://www.afghan-web.com/bios/today/ghekmatyar.html) Even an Afghan left-wing feminist group accuses Hikmatyar for participation in an assassination carried out by the KGB in 1985. (http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3340/rawa.html)
"The Soviets manipulated and exploited Gulbaddin Hekmatiyar’s Hizbi-i Islami [Islamic Party] primarily through the numerous agents in his military council, which included representatives not only from the Muslim Brotherhood but also from Libya, Iran, and the PLO. In the mid-1980s, Gulbaddin Hekmatiyar was known to have visited Libya and Iran and was rumored to have visited the PDRY [communist South Yemen]." (Bodansky, p. 22-23)
As CNN’s reporter Richard Mackenzie has said, Hikmatyar "gained notoriety in Afghanistan for killing more fellow Mujahideen than he did communists."
Full link:
http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/issue5/roots.htm
Thank God Ronald Reagan was wise enough to help the Afghans slaughter the Godless Soviet invaders, leading to the collapse of the EVIL EMPIRE. Communist scum only understand one thing.
Once again the muslim terrorist is connected to the Communists of Russia and Cuba and China.
They are all the same terrorist, we are not fighting a few
muslims in this war.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet&biw=796&q=al+qaeda+terrorists+trained+in+China&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet&q=Cuba+trains++al+Qaeda+terrorists&spell=1
http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=terrorist%20training%20by%20Cuba
Sorry, but according to your buddy BringBackMyHUAC, the Soviets made the Afghan Mujahedjin and Reagan had nothing to do with it.
"Ignore Germany, punish France, forgive Russia"...
I haven't seen so much twisted logic and apologetics for Islamics in a long time. Pathetic. (not you, the other posters on this thread).
But according to YOU, Reagan was a jihadist cheerleader for fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. Which one of you is kookier?
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