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Since this was happening in closed quarters they probably couldn't use pepper spray.. I really dont know what another alternative would be.. whack her in the head with a billy club?

Incidentally, regarding your tagline: I'm not sure where you got that from, but I believe the proper translation is "A military operation involves deception." Your version, "All war is deception," is factually erroneous and philosphically *stupid*.

Several of us old "bug housers", many of whom worked in children's programs for years are getting a kick out of your comments.

Also FYI kids often have opposite reactions to drugs as compared to adults, can be amazingly strong and extremely quick and agile. Don't let their size fool you.

The purpose is to subdue with the least amount of danger to the patient AND staff. I personally would not have preferred a tazer in any take down I was involved in, but we were never allowed darts either. Just an IM, in which the needle often came back broke or bent, and hopefully you didn't jab your coworker at the same time. Heck, sometimes coworkers ended up in the melee mistakenly restrained to the patient. It can be a real free for all.

If you can't control a 90-lb (40kg) 13-year-old girl with your hands on her wrists and some stern, calm talk, then you are way too pussified to be a cop.

the wussifying of our police force is nearly complete.

next thing you know, they will call swat on a five year old weilding a sharpened tootsie pop stick...

If you can't control a 90-lb (40kg) 13-year-old girl with your hands on her wrists and some stern, calm talk, then you are way too pussified to be a cop. All of those drugs are "downers" and she was chemically predidposed to passivity.

You make it abundantly clear that you don't have much knowledge of what you speak. Downers definitely !=passivity.

Incidentally, regarding your tagline: I'm not sure where you got that from, but I believe the proper translation is "A military operation involves deception." Your version, "All war is deception," is factually erroneous and philosphically *stupid*

I got that quote from Volume 1 of Freeper Jeff Head's Dragon Fury series books. Another translation goes

"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."..

or in my copy of The Art of War..

"Warfare is the Tao of deception. Thus: Although you are capable, display incapability......"

Therefore, if you feel that is incorrect and/or philosophically *stupid*, take it up with Jeff Head and/or Sun Tzu. Have a nice day.