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Immigration reform church goal, cardinal says
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Posted on 06/24/2005 9:52:01 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

Immigration reform church goal, cardinal says


Louie Gilot
El Paso Times

The time for immigration reform has come, U.S. and Mexican Catholic workers assembled in El Paso said as the groundbreaking Binational Migration Conference opened Thursday.

Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, D.C., said the church owes it to its Hispanic faithful to push for change, as high-profile delegates gathered at the Camino Real Hotel.

"The church in the United States is very, very Hispanic and what a blessing that is. They (Hispanic immigrants) come with the values that are so needed in the United States today. When there is a moral issue that concerns so many of our people, we have to speak," McCarrick said, alternating between English and Spanish. "This is a special moment in the history of the Catholic church and the history of migration."

About 150 diocesan staff members attended the first day of the conference, the first ever along the U.S.-Mexico border. The conference will end Saturday.

Cynthia Colbert, the executive director of Catholic Charities for Central Texas, said she wanted to hear about strategies she can use back home in Austin. "We want to support the campaign (for immigration reform) through educating our own community on the benefits of immigration for all of us. It's a social justice issue for our brothers and sisters," she said.

In a training session Thursday, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops representatives outlined their plan for reform, which included:



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Boldness reaches new heights in the Catholic Church's alliance with illegal alien immigration.
1 posted on 06/24/2005 9:52:01 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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The "STATUS QUO" is unacceptable . .

(The Illegal Alien Immigration Gospel according to the Catholic Church?)

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In a training session Thursday, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops representatives outlined their plan for reform, which included:


2 posted on 06/24/2005 9:55:32 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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Status Quo?

3 posted on 06/24/2005 10:00:26 AM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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To: Happy2BMe

I'm Catholic, and I disagree with the Cardinal. He's forwarding his personal opinion, and it's no more valid than mine in this instance. However, the Church bureaucracy is supporting his stance. That is a problem.


4 posted on 06/24/2005 10:00:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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In the war on illegal immigration and the effects of same Balkanizing a once united America, it appears that the Catholic church is an enemy.

5 posted on 06/24/2005 10:00:57 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Happy2BMe

It's the American version of Liberation Theology. Read what Cardinal Ratzinger wrote about these people.

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm


6 posted on 06/24/2005 10:04:12 AM PDT by Lobbyist (Just doing a job an illegal alien can't do.)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


7 posted on 06/24/2005 10:09:59 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Happy2BMe
"The church in the United States is very, very Hispanic and what a blessing that is. They (Hispanic immigrants) come with the values that are so needed in the United States today. When there is a moral issue that concerns so many of our people, we have to speak," McCarrick said, alternating between English and Spanish. "This is a special moment in the history of the Catholic church and the history of migration."

"The church in the United States is very, very Hispanic much in favor of illegal aliens (if they're Catholics) and what a blessing that is for our collection plates. They (Hispanic illegal aliens) come with the values (i.e. disrespect for the law) that are so needed in the United States today. When there is a moral issue that concerns so many of our law-breaking people, we have to speak out in favor of their values," McCarrick said, alternating between English and Spanish. "This is a special moment in the history of the money hungry Catholic church and the history of illegal migration."

The "Church" needs an attitude adjustment.

8 posted on 06/24/2005 10:10:00 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Pyro7480

I'm Catholic, too, and don't agree with this. Maybe any donation checks we sign should read "Not for political purposes"


9 posted on 06/24/2005 10:10:21 AM PDT by KittyKares
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"In the war on illegal immigration and the effects of same Balkanizing a once united America, it appears that the Catholic church is an enemy."

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It appears Pope John Paul's successor has some housecleaning to do - he must act and act swiftly on this matter. He cannot remain silent on this. It is a precedent that must not be allowed to stand.

(Surely the Church has learned from being silent during the genocides of Nazi Germany that sins of ommission are as great as sins of commission.)

10 posted on 06/24/2005 10:11:19 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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Here's what the new Pope said in '84 in an introductory letter about Liberation Theology, which is what the conclave posited above is pushing:

The very radicality of liberation theology means that its seriousness is often underestimated, since it does not fit into any of the accepted categories of heresy; its fundamental concern cannot be detected by the existing range of standard questions.

Pretty strong stuff. In the article linked at post 7(?), Ratzinger links Liberation Theology with Marxism.

11 posted on 06/24/2005 10:19:28 AM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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To: Happy2BMe

If you're going to criticize the Catholic Church for being "silent" at the time, then you have to criticize several other parties, our government for example.


12 posted on 06/24/2005 10:20:49 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: William Terrell

Given your past comments, you already thought that before this issue came up.


13 posted on 06/24/2005 10:22:19 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: HiJinx
The very radicality of liberation theology means that its seriousness is often underestimated, since it does not fit into any of the accepted categories of heresy . .

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I've never seen the Catholic Church take such an openly political and volatile stand on such a distant issue from the core of Church theology. This is purely political - any spiritual good anyone thinks would come of this will be shadowed by the politically-driven aspect of it.

14 posted on 06/24/2005 10:23:40 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Pyro7480
A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

15 posted on 06/24/2005 10:24:52 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Pyro7480; Happy2BMe

If you've paid any attention to Happy's posts over the last 5-6 months, you'll see that Happy has been an extremely vocal critic of our government.

In the case of this thread, the subject of the article is a group within the Catholic Church that the current Pope has come this close to calling heretics. See post 6.


16 posted on 06/24/2005 10:25:01 AM PDT by HiJinx (Remember, you have to seal the dike before you can drain the swamp.)
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The last time I checked this was still a government that was created to protect the citizens of The United States of America and the Catholic Church was created to spread The Gospel throughout the ends of the earth.

Let me know what has changed.

17 posted on 06/24/2005 10:28:54 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Nothing should have changed. But it has. The Catholic hierarchy in the U.S., to a certain extent, are a bunch of pedophile-abetting, illegal-immigrant supporting, fools. What Catholics have to remember, though, is that they have to respect the office of bishop, and not necessarily the person in the office.


18 posted on 06/24/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480
Thank you for your thoughts.

I cannot however respect an entity that propagates a form of subversion that essentially advocates an invasion of illegal aliens into this (or any other) country.

This at best is heresy and at worst is treason.

19 posted on 06/24/2005 10:36:50 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe
It appears Pope John Paul's successor has some housecleaning to do - he must act and act swiftly on this matter. He cannot remain silent on this. It is a precedent that must not be allowed to stand.

This is an issue that Benedict XVI will allow the US bishops a lot of leeway on.

If he were pressed on it, it's likely that Benedict would agree with McCarrick.

20 posted on 06/24/2005 10:38:31 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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