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To: narby
I feel compelled to reply to your post

They just had a conference with lots of professors and professional scientists working with evolution theory every day. And you think there might be some books on the subject? YA THINK?

You missed my point. Just writing about a subject doesn't mean what you write is true. YA THINK. Also, many professors and scientists don't believe in evolution www.designinference.com

And they couldn't convince the OJ jury either. They had their mind made up in advance with the strength of a religion. Just like you and evolution.

Wrong on both counts. I didn't make my mind up in advance and although I believe in God, I am not a church-goer and am not affiliated with any religion.

You're not open minded. You've already made up your mind and you just admited it in post #63.

I admitted no such thing. Now you are making things up.

What you are is a typical lying Christian. You lied about having an open mind, and merely wanting to find out information. Your post #7 was an invitation for PH to give you some information, so that you could proclaim it "unconvincing", and thus "win" your argument.

Wrong on all 3 counts. I am not lying, I am not a Christian and I didn't invite anyone to do anything except answer a simple question

Snake oil salesmen. Every one of you.

Everyone of who? Everyone who doesn't agree with you?

65 posted on 06/24/2005 12:20:15 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
127 posted on 06/24/2005 10:23:28 PM PDT by rrr51
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To: rrr51; PatrickHenry
You missed my point. Just writing about [evolution] doesn't mean what you write is true.

Your original post left the impression that you thought a handful of publications had been written on evolution subjects. That's not the case. We're talking thousands of publications, mostly in scientific journals. It would not surprise me in the least that 10,000 articles and books have been written on the subject during the last 150 years.

Also, many professors and scientists don't believe in evolution www.designinference.com

Your link doesn't directly go to the famous list of "scientists" who have signed a "push poll" style petition against evolution (it was worded in such a way to discuise it's intent, and many signatories have since rejected it). I believe there were several hundred signers.

In response, the National Center for Science Education has begun "Project Steve". This is a list of signatories of PHd's that support evolution. The catch is that they must have the name "Steve". About 1% of the population is so named. According to the Steve-o-meter 573 Steves have signed so far, which infers that 57,300 PHd's support evolution.

If we were voting PHd's for and against evolution 57k is a bit more than a few hundred. You lose.

I didn't make my mind up in advance and although I believe in God, I am not a church-goer and am not affiliated with any religion.

Let us return to Post #7 where you said As someone who is open-minded on the subject, can you tell me one aspect of the Theory of Evolution which has been scientifically verified, and can be be stated to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

That was at 5:09AM. At 11:59AM in post #63 you wrote My problem is that it has never been verified that [evolution] actually happens, i.e., the laboratory evidence and fossil record are not convincing (at least not to me). That is my position.

The snake oil you're trying to sell is that in about 7 hours you went from open minded to having a firm position on a very complicated subject. Yeah Right.

Your original post #7 was pretty obvious bait where you intended on getting PatrickHenry involved in a discussion that you intended to win via your links to designinference.com and whatever else you had up your sleeve.

I don't know, maybe you really are an honest guy that just wanted to talk about the subject. Maybe I'm cynical, but I've seen way too many Discovery Institute disciples on these threads masquerading as joe-on-the-street and that's what you appear to be to me. You haven't convinced me otherwise.

154 posted on 06/26/2005 6:18:22 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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