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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

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To: brigette

ack! I have to watch Greta rerun at 2am! Been trying to lock in a low interest rate on student loans...rate goes up tomorrow at midnight....#$%&*@#

Thanks for posting the pics of the perp. He has dead eyes.


4,741 posted on 06/29/2005 8:05:55 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Jrabbit

sorry


4,742 posted on 06/29/2005 8:06:21 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: TexKat

Isn't it odd that Deepak was not there in the casino but he is told and remembers that Natalee supposely lost $360.00, why not say "a few hundred dollars", "a couple of hundred dollars", why not say $300 dollars, why say $360???? (too much detail if you ask me)

This is part of the "made up" story (the cooked up story)


4,743 posted on 06/29/2005 8:06:21 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette

Exactly!! They could even have typed it up and distributed it to each other to read and re-read a couple of hundered times.


4,744 posted on 06/29/2005 8:12:27 PM PDT by Big Jake
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To: Big Jake; brigette; All
From SM:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- for the kidnap theory fans - this guy Charles Croes said he was called because he ran a rental cell phone company on the island and the Twitty's know him (I think I got that right) and they wanted info "about a cell phone call" - since clearly Natalee's cell phone was not from one of this guy's phone (and the "chaperone" had Natalee's cell phone and was using it to call her family) what phone call could CC be refering to???

He was very carefully not saying more than "a phone call" and Greta was too - sounded as if they had an agreement that she would not ask about that phone call as part of the interview - or so it sounded to me.

so --- ransom call?

4,745 posted on 06/29/2005 8:15:29 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Plutarch
Greta on O'Reilly made a very good point that Bill did not understand. She noted that Joran had a story prepared before Natallee was noted in the media as missing, meaning that Joran knew that "something bad happened" prior to all of the media attention. If Joran had only left her at the beach presuming that she walked back to the HI, then he would not have collaborated with the brothers on a fabricated story to cover their tracks until after the news had come out about her disappearance. This fact therefore seriously implicates all three left in jail.

Excellent point. On Greta's show tonight, her interview with Mr. Croes drove home this eyeopener.

4,746 posted on 06/29/2005 8:18:11 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: brigette

Re: photos of Joran--that is the face of evil.

And didn't his stupid mother say he is not eating in jail? Looks like he gained about ten pounds.

Lie! Lie! Lie!--That's all the Van der Sloots do.


4,747 posted on 06/29/2005 8:22:19 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: brigette

It creeps me out to realize that even in America,
Joran couldn't be tried as an adult.


4,748 posted on 06/29/2005 8:31:23 PM PDT by b9
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To: auboy
Is it just me, or is Bill O'Reilly becoming even more obnoxious and condescending? The way he was talking down to Greta tonite (I only saw it by accident) made me want to smack him upside the head!!
4,749 posted on 06/29/2005 8:31:40 PM PDT by blu (This post edited for brevity.)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Boycott Aruba for this injustice!


4,750 posted on 06/29/2005 8:33:36 PM PDT by doc
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To: blu
It's pretty obvious that O'Reilly is green with envy at Greta's success with this story. She owns the story and he can't stand it. He's treating her like a child, so condescending. What a jerk.
4,751 posted on 06/29/2005 8:35:36 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Palladin
Night all. Like I said last night we need to do some serious praying about this. By the way what happened to all the "mealymouthed-'You people are being so asinine'-conscience-of-Freerepublic" types that were so prevalent last night?
TAW
4,752 posted on 06/29/2005 8:37:19 PM PDT by Malichi
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To: SandyB

Natalee's biological father was just interviewed again tonight, he was on HC earlier. He's been there searching for her for 30 days, as he just said. (You might be able to catch the repeat later.)

Natalee looks so much like him, she favors him much more than she does Beth, at least to my eyes.


4,753 posted on 06/29/2005 8:40:58 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: TexKat

they probably went to this guy because:

1. They know him
2. There is only 2 cellphone providers on the island
3. There is only 2 companies on the island that "sell and rent" cellphones. Most kids these days "use" pay as you go phones. So it could be that Joran's phone is a "rental pay as you go phone" - either way Croes may be the biggest cellphone dealer on the island and they went to him for help because they knew him.

Digicel is the main cell phone service on the island.

Where I live there is only 2 cellphone companies that cover from my home area. Most people use Verizon because it is cheaper than the other local company. If I came up missing the first place to go for my cellphone records would be to go to the local cellphone rep in my town to start seeking out information about my cellphone activity.

There is a cell tower about 1/2 mile from my house (I live out of the small city limits). If I am in my home using my cellphone, that tower is going to pick up my cell phone calls for me. Put if I go up into town (3 miles away) the tower up in town is going to pick up my call.

If I travel away from home with my cellphone being on (but on stand by) as travel my cellphone picks up a signal from each tower I pass. Once I get out of my "home" area. Then my phone switches to roaming and I will be using another provider tower if I make a call while roaming.

The point is... if Joran was moving around on the island which has at least 15 towers on it (probably a majority of them are up around the hotel strip area due to the high level of cell phone activity in that area). then each tower will pick up his signal if he had his phone on (as in on stand by). If he had his phone completely shut off then the towers will not try to pick up a signal from his phone.

Towers can be as close as 1/2 mile apart from each other. So up by the hotel strip they may have 5 towers up there with each one being 1/2 mile apart from each other.
If Joran was at the beach by the Marriott, then a tower closet to the Mariott will pick up Joran signal. Each phone has a unique ID number. So they have to go to the cell phone company and request Joran's call record and which towers picked up his cellphone calls. If he had his phone on stand by then they may know which towers he was clsoet to. Getting through that data will take some time and maybe they have the tower data by now.

I posted a link before on how cell phones work. It explains it in simple terms. The type of cell phones they use in Aruba are GSM phones. GSM phones may be harder to track than other types of cell phones. It may be harder to track the tower data to his phone. (that is while he had his phone in stand by mode) The actual phone calls and text messages are easy to track, since that cuts into his "use" time.


4,754 posted on 06/29/2005 8:44:33 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: auboy

Where did I read that she lost $360 of "her father's money," and asked Joran to help her win it back?


4,755 posted on 06/29/2005 8:46:20 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: brigette

When you rewatch Greta later, will you please listen to the part about WHO is resigning and leaving his post on July 15th? I understood the man speaking to say it is Van der Straaten, the Police Chief. Someone else heard it as being PVDS. Greta asked if the resignation had anything to do with this case, and the guy said "yes."


4,756 posted on 06/29/2005 8:49:49 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: blu

I missed BORing tonight - was on FR at the time. But usually whenever I see His Smugness, his attitude makes me wish I had a 2x4 just to get his attention.

Greta has been showing him up with her "leave no stone unturned" coverage from Aruba. I would call it jealousy.

Greta has just kept digging and digging. How much less would we have learned if it wasn't for her search for the facts?


4,757 posted on 06/29/2005 8:50:53 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: blu
Is it just me, or is Bill O'Reilly becoming even more obnoxious and condescending? The way he was talking down to Greta tonite (I only saw it by accident) made me want to smack him upside the head!!

Hes been that way to all of our reporters that are reporting from Aruba.

That big foreheaded skunk thinks his shite don't stink. But oh boy he gives off such a stingent odor.

4,758 posted on 06/29/2005 8:50:58 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: cajungirl
VS the younger, if those pics show what I think they show, is "holding up" well. He isn't going to talk. He looks a little excited at the camera being on him.

Poor Natalee. That was the last face she saw on this earth. That leering lustful ugly vicious mean evil rapist.

4,759 posted on 06/29/2005 8:51:35 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: TexKat; maggiefluffs; All

Cool Facts
The GSM standard for digital cell phones was established in Europe in the mid-1980s -- long before digital cellular phones became commonplace in American culture.

It is now possible to locate a person using a cellular phone down to a range of a few meters, anywhere on the globe.

3G (third-generation wireless) phones may look more like PDAs, with features such as video-conferencing, advanced personal calendar functions and multi-player gaming.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone14.htm




It is now possible to locate a person using a cellular phone down to a range of a few meters, anywhere on the globe.

I AM PRETTY SURE THIS INCLUDES WHEN THE PHONE IS IN STAND BY MODE - READY TO DIAL OUT OR TO ACCEPT INCOMING CALLS


4,760 posted on 06/29/2005 8:52:05 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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