Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
Deepak a heavy internet user - stays up all night on the internet after getting home from work.
Greta stated that Deepak's mom says that he gets home at approximately 1:00, 1:30 a.m. nightly and then is on the internet all night.
"greta thinks" that deepak may have email steve croes that night and that is how SC became involved. (greta's opinion)
So ... JvdS contacts Depak, text message. Depak then contacts Croes online???
arbeej
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Re: HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?!
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Ok, I'm not even going to address the rest of your post.
But where on earth did you hear that they are the richest family in Alabama? Jug is a manager of a manufacturing plant. We are selling fundraising bracelets to help them defray the financial disaster of having to leave jobs and stay on the island while they search for Natalee.
I keep losing my ISP connection... (grr)
O'Reilly said that Greta asked PVDS what he does, he confirmed he was a "sitting judge in Aruba"
via sm:
aul stays in jail, per Karl Penhaul CNN Headline
good deal...
aul = Paul
Looks like they had no need to visit an internet cafe as reported earlier.
48 hours. UNCONFIRMED
Judge Napolitano stated that under Dutch law the parents cannot be compeled to testify against their child if the child informed them that he did commit a crime. If they saw the child commit the crime then they would need to come forth.
That was interesting - if PVDS is a sitting judge then he knows the laws well. I just wonder if the brothers "feared" this judge and that things will change now that he is also in Jail. (again I don't think the brothers are in as deep as Joran is and they may know she is dead but they don't know what he did with her body.)
Boy's father also arrested as suspect in Aruba case
BREAKING NEWS NBC News and news services
Updated: 6:08 p.m. ET June 23, 2005ORANJESTAD, Aruba - The mother of the Dutch teen being detained in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama high school graduate said Thursday that her son changed the story he initially gave police and now admits to being alone with Natalee Holloway on a beach. Anita van der Sloot made the disclosure hours after her husband also was arrested on "suspicion that he was involved in the disappearance" of Holloway, authorities said.
Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were arrested 10 days after Holloway disappeared. They first told police that they dropped off Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.
But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now says the story is not true, that he and Holloway, 18, were in fact alone together on the beach. But he insisted that he left her there and that she was OK when he left, van der Sloot said.
"He says, 'Mom, I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her. I left her there because she wanted to stay there. I left and I don't know what happened. There my statement ends.'"
Earlier Thursday, Joran's father, Paul van der Sloot, a Dutch attorney who was training to be a judge on the island, was taken into custody as a fifth suspect in the 3-week-old case, authorities said.
His wife called the AP to report the arrest as police picked him up at their home. "My husband was just picked up by police," Anita van der Sloot said. "I don't know what to think."
Anita van der Sloot insisted her husband had done nothing wrong and said Aruban authorities had arrested him because they were under pressure from the U.S. government and the news media to produce results.
"My husband is a man of integrity who has been working in the justice system 15 years and was taken without evidence," Anita van der Sloot said. "How can this happen? This is not about Natalee anymore. It's about enormous pressure from the states and the media."
Authorities did not immediately respond to van der Sloot's allegation.
Mariaine Croes, a police spokesperson, told MSNBC that Paul van der Sloot would be held for at least six hours while prosecutors question him about the case. After that time, Croes said, the chief prosecutor will decide whether to hold him for up to 48 hours, as is allowed in Aruba, which is a Dutch protectorate. No further details were available.
Paul van der Sloot had earlier been barred from seeing his son, Joran, because police fear it could harm the investigation. He was also interrogated by police for seven hours over Saturday and Sunday.
Son: ‘I don't know anything’
Earlier Thursday, the Dutch teen's mother told NBC News on Thursday that she's convinced her son is telling the truth when he says he knows nothing about her disappearance.
She said at that time that she believed her son was innocent and that he was receiving unfavorable treatment in jail.
"My son didn't do anything," she said. "I don't understand what is happening" with the case.
In an interview following her husband's arrest, Anita van der Sloot said her son has insisted to her that he and his friends dropped Holloway off at her hotel.
She quoted the 17-year-old him as saying, "Mom, we went to the beach with that girl and then dropped her off."
She also said Joran can't remember many of the details that police have been asking him.
She said she had spoken to her son several times in jail and that he was going through "mental torture." She said he is often interrogated for more than 10 hours a day, and she also accused authorities of turning up the air conditioning to high levels to increase the pressure on him.
"If there was anything he did wrong he would be broken by now," she said.
She said her son is well-grounded and had plans to study law in the United States. "Why would a boy who has friends, who has a normal life going on ... do something to a girl he just met?" Anita van der Sloot asked. "For me that's just unacceptable, it's unbelievable."
She said authorities sometimes denied her access to her son, including as recently as Wednesday.
"I feel like Joran is being treated differently than other people and I don't know why," she said. "And I feel a very heavy anger."
Holloway vanished on May 30. Police say Joran van der Sloot met Holloway at a casino two days earlier. They say the three young men originally testified that they took her from a popular restaurant to a beach, where the Dutch boy and Holloway were kissing in the back of the car, then dropped her at the Holiday Inn where she was staying around 2 a.m.
Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has insisted that the three know what happened to her daughter and that police should press them harder to tell the truth. She has asked why the three were initially released after only a couple of hours of questioning, and arrested more than a week later.
At one point before the Dutch teen's arrest, Beth Holloway Twitty confronted him in front of his home and said the teen was arrogant, saying "What do you want me to do about it?"
Anita van der Sloot said he was "under pressure at that moment." He's tall and self-confident, she added, but "he doesn't have an arrogant attitude."
Anita van der Sloot told Fox News on Wednesday that her son has been interrogated for sometimes hours at a time, with authorities “calling him psychopath, murderer.”
Girl’s dad ‘optimistic’
Holloway’s father, meanwhile, said Wednesday he was confident that the investigation into her disappearance was close to being resolved. But dozens of searches by officials and volunteers have failed to turn up any trace.
His daughter disappeared on the last day of a five-day trip to celebrate her high school graduation with other students. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.
“I’m optimistic,” Dave Holloway told Associated Press Television News. “The FBI indicated to me that the (Aruban) police are very adequate and doing a good job.”
Anita van der Sloot said she sympathized with the anguish of Holloway's family.
"The Holloway family needs all the help it can get," she said. "They are desperate and I understand that."
Dave Holloway said he also believed the three young men held the key to his daughter’s disappearance. “These three guys cannot commit a perfect crime,” he said.
A fourth man detained in the case, 26-year-old party boat disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes, said he knew one of the two Surinamese brothers arrested with Joran van der Sloot from an Internet cafe, his boss, Marcus Wiggins, has said. Wiggins’ boat, the Tattoo, docks near the Holiday Inn.
Anita van der Sloot said that the intense local and international coverage of the case has been trying for her family. She said the news media are "trying to trap us."
"We are not clever people," she said. "We are just normal people trying to live our lives. ... It's incredible what's happening in Aruba. This is not the Aruba I know or love."
Same source:
Tattoo pics of SC?
http://community.webshots.com/photo/303774481/303790315UNbhYn
http://community.webshots.com/photo/303790274/303790274EqCSbY
Yes, your family has proved you aren't.
Translation from arubagirl:
ORANJESTAD — Plaatsvervangend lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba, Paul van der Sloot, vader van Joran van der Sloot (17), is vanmiddag iets na twee uur lokale tijd gearresteerd. Zo bevestigt politiewoordvoerder Jan van der Straten. Hij wordt in verband gebracht met de verdwijning op Aruba van Natalee Holloway. De vader was de afgelopen dagen al eerder door de politie ondervraagd. Ook mocht hij zijn zoon – die nu twee weken vast zit – niet bezoeken in de gevangenis.
Temporary member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, Paul van der Sloot [same Court is now denying that he is a member, by the way], father of Joran van der Sloot (17), has been arrested today a little over 2 pm local time. This has been confirmed by police spokesperson, Jan van der Straten. He is being linked to the disappearance on Aruba of Natalee Holloway. The father was already questioned the last few days by the police. He was also not allowed to see his son-who has now been detaned for two weeks-in jail.
De familie van Natalee Holloway heeft de beloning voor de gouden tip die leidt tot Natalees veilige terugkeer verhoogd tot 150.000 dollar. Eerder werd er 35.000 dollar uitgeloofd, later werd dat verhoogd tot 50.000 dollar. Voor de beloning is intussen een speciale Reward and Recovery Trust gevormd bij de Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, Alabama.
The family of Natalee Hollow has increased the rewared for the golden tip that leads to Natalee's safe return to 150.000 dollars. Earlier a reward of 35.000 dollars had been offered, later that was increased to 50.0000 dollars. A special Reward and Recovery Trust was formed for the reward by the Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, Alabama.
VERSCHILLENDE VERSIES
Volgens de politie verandert de zeventienjarige verdachte Joran van der Sloot steeds zijn versie van wat er op de avond van Natalee Holloways verdwijning gebeurde. De politie verhoort de vier vastzittende verdachten regelmatig en zegt daarnaast ook nog steeds getuigen te verhoren. Wat de echte toedracht is en wat er met de Amerikaanse scholiere is gebeurd, blijft echter nog steeds gissen.
DIFFERENT VERSIONS
According to the police 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot keeps changing his version of what happened on the night that the disapperance of Natalee Holloway occured. The politie regulary interrogates the four detained supsects and additionally says that there are still witnesses to interrogate. What the true story is and what happened with the American schoolgirl, is still guesswork.
Het verhoor van de verdachte jongemannen gebeurt meestal in koppels van twee agenten. Ook worden er confrontaties gehouden, waarbij twee of meer verdachten aanwezig zijn en met elkaars tegengestelde versies worden geconfronteerd.
The interrogation of the suspected young men usually occurs in teams of two agents. Confrontatations are also held, where two or more suspects are present and are confronted with their opposing stories.
Het is niet de eerste keer dat Van der Sloot zijn versie van het verhaal verandert. In eerste instantie vertelden alle drie de jongens, toen nog als getuigen, aan de politie dat zij met Holloway naar de vuurtoren zijn gereden en naar Arashi en haar daarna bij het Holiday Inn hebben afgezet. Dit verhaal veranderde toen zij werden aangehouden. Holloway en Van der Sloot zouden bij de Fisherman’s Huts zijn afgezet en de twee broers Satish en Deepak Kalpoe zouden daarna naar huis zijn gegaan.
This is not the first time that van der Sloot changes his version of the story. In the first place all three boys, then still witnesses, told the police that they drove with Holloway to the lighthouse and then to Arashi and dropped her afterwards at the Holiday Inn. This story changed when they were detained. Holloway and van der Sloot alllegedly would have been dropped off at Fisherman's Huts and the two brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpe allegedly would have gone home.
KLACHTEN ADVOCATEN
Advocaten klagen ondertussen dat zij niet alle stukken krijgen. Rudy Oomen, advocaat van Deepak Kalpoe: “Men doet er alles aan om mij het werken zo moeilijk mogelijk te maken. Ik moet steeds druk uitoefenen en dreigen met een procedure om stukken te krijgen.” Ook advocaat Anthony Carlo, die samen met Ariean de Bie en Richie Kock de 17-jarige Joran van der Sloot verdedigt, bevestigt dit beeld. Het advocatenteam heeft een verzoek ingediend om bij de verhoren van Van der Sloot aanwezig te mogen zijn. Carlo: “Volgens het Wetboek van Strafvordering mag de verdediging bij de verhoren aanwezig zijn nadat de verdachte door de rechter-commissaris is gehoord.” De rechter-commissaris interpreteert dit artikel echter anders. Het verzoek werd gisteren door de rechter-commissaris afgewezen.
COMPLAINTS BY LAWYERS
In the meantime lawyers are complaining that they are not getting all documents. Rudy Oomen, lawyer of Deepak Kalpoe: Everything is being done to make my work as difficult as possible. I have to constantly put pressure and threaten with court cases to get the documents. Also Anthony Carlo, who defends 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot together with Arieaan de Bie and Richie Kock, confirms this view. The lawyer team has entered a request to be present at the interrogation of van der Sloot. Carlo:" According to the Book of Criminal Law is the defense allowed to be present at the interrogation after the suspect has been interrogated by the Judge of Instructions". The Judge of Instructions, however, interpreted this article differently. The request has been denied yesterday by the Judge of Instructions.
De vader van Joran mag zijn zoon al een aantal dagen niet meer bezoeken, nadat een bezwaarschriftprocedure hierover in eerste instantie in het voordeel van de vader was gewonnen. Paul van der Sloot gaat tegen deze beslissing van de rechter-commissaris niet in hoger beroep, ook al zou hij zijn minderjarige zoon graag bezoeken. Advocaat Carlo: “Hij wil niet dat zijn positie de aandacht afleidt van de zaak.”
The father of Joran isn't allowed to visit his for a few days already, after a courtcase about this issue had been won in favor of the father. Paul van der Sloot is not going to appeal this decision of the judge of instructions, even though he would love to visit his underage son. Lawyer Carlo: "He doesn't want that his position would detract attention from this case."
De drie jonge verdachten worden waarschijnlijk morgen weer voor de rechter-commissaris geleid. Het OM zal dan om verlenging van hun bewaring vragen. Van de vierde verdachte, de 26-jarige dj Steve Croes, loopt de inverzekeringstelling zondag af. Als het OM hem langer vast zal willen houden zal het verzoek tot ‘inbewaringstelling’ waarschijnlijk ook morgen worden voorgelegd aan de rechter-commissaris. Rechter Bob Wit zal niet degene zijn die deze rol vervult, aangezien hij deze week is begonnen met zijn nieuwe taak als rechter aan het Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad.
The three young suspects will probably be brought before the judge of instructions tomorrow. The JD will then ask again for prolonging of their detention. On the fourth suspect, 26-year-old dj Seve Croes, the detention period will expire Sunday. If the JD wants to keep him detained longer, then the petition to "iplace in custody" [my mom is getting the dictionary, hold on] will also be probably be put to the judge of instructions tomorrow. Judge Bob Wit will not be the one who is in charge of this role, seeing that he has just started this week with his new job as judge on the Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad.
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Are you serious? Is that why the FBI has been practically underground?
Aruba Police Arrest Father of Dutch Teen
By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruban police arrested the father of a young Dutch teen already in custody in connection with the disappearance of a young Alabama woman, and said Thursday that he was considered a suspect in the 3-week-old case.
The teen's mother, meanwhile, told The Associated Press that her son had changed his story, admitting to her that he was alone with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on a beach the night she vanished _and that he left her there, not at a Holiday Inn as he earlier stated. But Joran van der Sloot, 17, insisted that he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.
Paul van der Sloot, 52, a justice official on this Dutch Caribbean island, was arrested Thursday shortly after he and his wife left the San Nicolas prison where Joran is being held, Anita van der Sloot told the AP.
Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, said she was pleased with the development.
"We are very pleased that the investigation is progressing," she said. "We feel like this will lead to more information to give us the answers we need for finding Natalee."
But Anita van der Sloot insisted her husband had done nothing wrong and said Aruban authorities arrested him because they were under pressure.
"My husband is a man of integrity who has been working in the justice system 15 years and was taken without evidence," she said, describing him as "the most honest, beautiful man."
"How can this happen? This is not about Natalee anymore. It's about enormous pressure from the (United) States and the media," she said.
Authorities did not immediately respond to van der Sloot's allegation.
The elder van der Sloot "is a suspect in the disappearance" of Holloway, said Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the Aruban Attorney General's office.
Authorities have described all five men currently in custody as "suspects." But it was not clear if each was suspected in the woman's disappearance or if some were suspected only of a lesser crime in connection with the case, such as withholding evidence.
Contacted by the AP hours before his arrest, Paul van der Sloot declined to comment on the case.
While Anita van der Sloot had been allowed to visit her son occasionally at the San Nicolas prison, authorities denied similar access to Paul van der Sloot, saying they believed contact between the two could damage the investigation.
Anita van der Sloot said she and her husband received a call from neighbors saying police were waiting for them at their home in Noord, northwest of the capital, Oranjestad. She then called Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten, who asked them to come to the police station. When they arrived, authorities "took my husband into custody as a suspect," Anita van der Sloot said, adding, "I don't know what to think."
Repeated searches of the island have produced no trace of Holloway, who vanished in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a high school graduation trip with 124 other students. Her passport and packed suitcase were found in her hotel room.
Joran van der Sloot has been in custody since June 9, along with two Surinamese brothers, Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, in connection with Holloway's disappearance. Authorities also have arrested a 26-year-old party boat disc jockey, Steve Gregory Croes.
Police say Joran met Holloway at a casino two days before her disappearance. He and the Kalpoe brothers told authorities they took her from a popular restaurant to a beach, where Joran and Holloway were kissing in the back of the car, then dropped Natalee at the Holiday Inn about 2 a.m.
But Anita van der Sloot said Joran has since changed his story, telling her that he was alone with Natalee on a beach.
"He says, 'Mom, I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her. I left her there because she wanted to stay there. I left and I don't know what happened. There my statement ends,'" Anita van der Sloot said.
Anita van der Sloot didn't say which beach.
When asked if Joran had changed his initial story, she replied, "Joran changed his story only one time. I think he was scared because he sneaked out of the house that evening. I think he was scared and wanted to cover other people too. He changed his story once and added details."
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