Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
Yes, true, J could have been the one using the ATM. Don't they have security cams at their ATMs? I hope someone has checked the ones that were used with P's card.
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That's a good point, spectre.
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he could have been using the money for gambling or leaving himself an alibly for those hours of the morning
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There seems to have been a lot of activity at 3:00am:
Beth believes Natalee was at the vdS home (this would have been on Tuesday morning when they were at the house)
Father at ATM machine (this would have been on Monday morning)
Rumor-Father at McD's (this would have been on Monday morning)
What I heard was that Natalee LOST $360 dollars and she asked him to win it back for her.
Of course, I think that was in an email.
I'm still curious why Nat's Mom is so sure she was at the VDS residence? They must have some evidence she was there that we don't know about yet.
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Good morning, spectre!
I'm curious about that and also, is it rumor that PVDS took $$ out of the ATM or has it been reported by Greta or others? I'd think that would be huge news and I haven't heard it reported.
3:00 should be interesting when the change in judge happens; wonder of PVDS has a friend who will be replacing the current judge?
sw
I also read Deepak's statement, I think you posted that several days ago also. Of course who knows what is true, but IIFC, Deepak did make mention that Natalee said she had lost $320 of her father's money and asked Joran to help her win it back. (The girls on TV made no mention of any money Natalee lost. That would be an interesting point to hear from them.) Anyway, Deepak said that Joran said he did help her and won $100 for her, but said that was all he could do. It was sometime then that she asked him to meet or join them at C&C's later. One of her friends said she heard that, another said she had not heard that comment. So, it does seem that Natalee did have some contact with Joran and initiated it that night. Whether she had seen him before or not, there seems to be some contradiction among her friends, but all agree that there was a definite meeting at the Casino (as confirmed by both her friends on TV and, then by Deepak in his statement).
Now we know what Deepak says is second-hand from Joran, as Deepak was working when Joran was at the Casino. But apparently Joran called him and asked him to pick him up and take him to C&C's (after Joran's father had brought him home at 11 p.m.) Then, as it has been reported often, Joran sneaked out, went to C&C's. He probably told Deepak something like "this girl wants me to meet her there; I met her at the Casino, it is her last night here...etc." That would be typical for a kid to say.
As to the ATM, someone mentioned that maybe Joran withdrew the money. Could be possible, too. Maybe to help Natalee out with her losses to her Daddy? Maybe to pay some gambling debt he had at the Casino? Maybe it was Daddy vdS for some payment. I am sure that info will come out too, eventually. We still only have assumptions.
Pray for Natalee, her family and all families involved in this horrible tragedy. May God give the innocent strength, and motivate the guilty - whoever they are to come forward and tell the truth.
I think some of you are taking it that Beth sensed or felt that Natalee was inside the house when she and Jug was actually there on Tuesday morning. Maybe Beth meant that had sensed that Natalee "had" been there at one time and before Beth & Jug had arrived to the VDS home.
All the other early morning stuff would have happened on Monday Morning, during the time that Joran was with Natalee.
Timeline
Sunday 5/29/05
~ Joran, Natalee, PVDS are at the Holiday Inn Casino(sometime in the evening)
~ 11pm PVDS picks up JVDS at McD's
~ 11pm Natalee is at CnC's or her hotel (most likely)
Monday 5/30/05
~ 12am Natalee is a CnC's (as some of her friends left around 12am)
~ 12:30am JVDS, Satish, Deepak arrive at CnC's
~ 1:00am Bar Closes
~ 1:10am Natalee is seen in Deepak's Car leaving the Bar
~ 8am Joran should be in school - is he?
~ 9am or so Everyone is in the HI lobby getting ready to fly back home
~ Afternoon - Natalee's parents learn about Natalee missing
~ 11pm - Natalee's parents arrive in Aruba
Tuesday 5/31/05
~ 3:00am - 1st Meeting takes place a VDS home
Something just dawned on me - Daddy cannot remember if he took Joran to school on Monday. Joran's mother said he takes a school bus. Was Joran not on the school bus Monday morning, but somehow got to school on Monday and the cops don't know how? - Remember they are looking for a "change" in daily habits, and it is amazing that Daddy cannot remember if he drove Joran to school that Monday, when Mommy says Joran rides the bus during her interviews with Greta.
I don't know about the ATM withdrawel, or where it was located. It's crazy, Peach. Yes, more this afternoon!
PS...I invited this entire thread of good people to crash your Cool Pool Party tonight! Are you ready for all of us??! (LOL)..
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Timeline (update)
Sunday 5/29/05
~ Joran, Natalee, PVDS are at the Holiday Inn Casino(sometime in the evening)
~ 11pm PVDS picks up JVDS at McD's
~ 11pm Natalee is at CnC's or her hotel (most likely)
Monday 5/30/05
~ 12am Natalee is a CnC's (as some of her friends left around 12am)
~ 12:30am JVDS, Satish, Deepak arrive at CnC's
~ 1:00am Bar Closes
~ 1:10am Natalee is seen in Deepak's Car leaving the Bar
~ 3am PVDS seen at McD's? - ATM trans by PVDS around this time?
~ 8am Joran should be in school - is he?
~ 9am or so Everyone is in the HI lobby getting ready to fly back home
~ Afternoon - Natalee's parents learn about Natalee missing
~ 11pm - Natalee's parents arrive in Aruba
Tuesday 5/31/05
~ 3:00am - 1st Meeting takes place a VDS home
I'm not sure.
Uhoh. I'd better call the host. He's going to need a lot more food and liquor :-)
Now I know, spectre, that you'll be coming for a "sighting" of that person I told you about last night. LOL
bbl...by 3:00 at least.
How to get there? Hmmmm, will you or Peach pay my flight? I will start packing immediately. Only need my swim suit. LOL
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