Future Clash (A 'South Park conservative'/libertarian counterculture emerges)

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette ^ | June 23, 2005 | Bradley R. Gitz

[bassmaner]

There's too many fruitcakes in the LP right now for it to be a viable party.

Sadly, you may be right. I still read the LP's publications from time to time, and sometimes I swear I'm reading Chomsky when the subject of the war is raised.

[snowrip]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are conservatives. Actually, Trey is a staunch libertarian.

[KevinDavis]

Why I'll never vote for the LP is that it seems that they wanted Kerry to win... If the LP went after Bush and Kerry who knows...

[Mulch]

Which part of that definition applies to those who don't have sex with persons of the same-sex, but also don't view it as 'perverted'?

That's the point I'm making. That group of people, as you defined above, doesn't exist. Simply, if you don't view the homosexual act as perverted then you are a homosexual. Whether or not you have actually engaged in the homosexual act is irrelevant.

[bobhoskins]

That's the point I'm making. That group of people, as you defined above, doesn't exist. Simply, if you don't view the homosexual act as perverted then you are a homosexual. Whether or not you have actually engaged in the homosexual act is irrelevant.

So, if we ever do reach a society that has no concept or understanding of "homosexuality", every there would, by your definition (which I'd still like to see a link for, or for you to use another word than definition), be a homosexual?

A child, who has no concept of sex, yet alone homosexuality, and therefore does not view the homosexual act as perverted, is therefore homosexual?

By your "definition", every baby is therefore born into this world homosexual. I have to say, that concept disturbs me, and I reject your definition.

Please work harder at your definition ...

[bobhoskins]

That's the point I'm making. That group of people, as you defined above, doesn't exist. Simply, if you don't view the homosexual act as perverted then you are a homosexual. Whether or not you have actually engaged in the homosexual act is irrelevant.

And someone engaged in homosexual acts, who thinks to himself "Gosh, this is perverted." is NOT a homosexual?

[lugsoul]

"That group of people, as you defined above, doesn't exist."

Well, you made your statement in an exchange with someone who fits exactly within the group you claim doesn't exist. Are you calling him a liar?

There are many people who neither engage in nor desire to engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex, but who also do not view same-sex activity as 'perverted.' By what contorted logic are those persons 'homosexuals?'

[Dominic Harr]

This is really starting to confuse me.

I *thought* that the Liberal v. Conservative thing was about 'collective', or govt, solutions v. 'individual' solutions.

I thought 'conservative' meant "for minimal govt intrustion".

If so, then 'Social Conservatives' aren't political conservatives.

Libertarians would actually be 'radical conservatives'.

What has happened to the meanings of these words?

[Dominic Harr]

Hmmm:

• Is 'anal sex' between a man and a woman, 'perverted'?
  
• Is oral sex perverted?
  
• Is 'S & M' perverted?

And even so -- where does the idea that 'perversion' between consenting adults should be legislated against?

I believe that 'S & M' is perverted. But I don't think we should change the law to say that 'S & M' practitioners can't get married . . .

[Mulch]

Sexuality, in human development, is influenced both genetically and socially. Homosexuals are born with a curtain proclivities, similar to the way an alcoholic may have a weakness. But as a society, we don't encourage alcoholism and we shouldn't encourage homosexuality. Like alcoholism, homosexuality is a destructive behavior for the individual and society as a whole.

[Alexander Rubin]

The question wasn't "Do you care..?". The question was "do you think the act is perverted..?"

You want to try to answer the question again?

When you put it that way, yes, it IS perverted. It is literally a perversion of the reproductive act. But, by the same standard, so is ANY sexual act that has no chance of resulting in pregnancy. or any sex for that matter. Sex with a condom is a perversion as well, though not on the same scale, but by the same definition.

And as others said, I think America has bigger problems to worry about than where a few Americans stick their dick at night, so long as all parties are consenting adults of sound mind.

[bobhoskins]

Fantastic, that's more of the typpe argument you should stick with, rather than making up definitions out of whole cloth for words that have pretty clear definitions already.

However, now you equate homosexuality with alcoholism, and if you're willing to PUNISH one you must be willing to PUNISH another the same way.

So, you may want to revise a bit. I don't think the alcoholism comparison QUITE works.

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.

You should be a pollster, bpjam.

Who says we only get two choices?

Michael Frazier

[KevinDavis]

So basically you want the Government to monitor people's behavior then??? You want the Government to go into people's bedrooms then??

[Dominic Harr]

And as others said, I think America has bigger problems to worry about than where a few Americans stick their dick at night, so long as all parties are consenting adults of sound mind.

Sound mind?

No, I don't think we should worry about where Democrats stick theirs, either.

:-D

[bobhoskins]

But, by the same standard, so is ANY sexual act that has no chance of resulting in pregnancy. or any sex for that matter.

Old people sex is gross.

[Bella_Bru]

That group of people, as you defined above, doesn't exist.

You really couldn't be more wrong. I don't give a damn who is screwing whom in my neighbor's home. I myself am not a homosexual and I don't care about what homosexuals do in their bedrooms.

[KevinDavis]

Basically I don't care what happends in the bedroom between conseting adults... Hell if there is an orgy going I don't care.. What I don't want is the Government monitoring our bedrooms period...