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To: myself6

"The will of the people CAN remove ANYONE from power in ANY position of ANY branch of government.
It just takes controlled breathing and a steady index finger."

If there are a few million out there doing that, then it is the will of the People.
If it's just one guy - and that is what it will be on an issue like this - it's a matter of criminal law and law enforcement.

The problem in the US is not the lack of violent solutions.
It is the lack of will to rebalance the US Constitution by assigning the final authority to make decisions to a different, elected branch of government. Right now, final authority rests in the Supreme Court. As long as that is so, you will get one decision after another of a Roe v. Wade, guns-are-commerce and regulable (to zero), Walmart- can-have-your-house variety.

If you don't like that, then you have to change your Constitution, not shoot up some petty officeholders. The latter will only make the government more oppressive, as people in authority use violence against authority as justification to more severely crack down.

Perhaps the time will come when Americans realize that their Constitution of 1787 is a great document that has run its course, and the balance of powers in it places final authority in the wrong, unelected branch of government. To rebalance that will require substantially altering the US Constitution.

I don't think there is any appetite to do that in America.
And without that change, this sort of decision will keep happening.


569 posted on 06/23/2005 10:57:21 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
I was making a point that every government employee can be removed by one means or another.

Here is something you can take to the bank. At the point in time that conservatives take up arms it will already be over. We are the achievers, we are the people who make things run, we are the soldiers and we are the doers. NOTHING can stop us once we have come to a decision and decided to act.

Peaceful solutions are fine for civil times and honorable men, but dishonorable men and would be dictators require something more. The preservation of Freedom and liberty sometimes requires the blood of patriots and free men.

By the time most of us here have come to the realization that we need to abandon our cozy life of servitude to the state and take up arms , you can bet that most other conservatives have come to the same conclusion. I think critical mass is about 30% of the population. With the help of a percentage of the military and law enforcement (and we would have it) it would be a cake walk (relatively speaking).

Sometimes people just have to fight for something to appreciate it. They need to risk everything to deeply value the gain.

I understand the point of your post but getting to the point of fixing the current situation will require extraordinary means. I also do not entirely agree with your "fix", France is a f---ing mess. Any form of government is doomed to fail if the citizenry does not value certain moral and ethical standards. The best you can do is set up a government that will keep the would be dictators at bay long enough for the population to "wake up" again and fight it down. This is what the founders of this country set up and that is what is happening.

As long as there are people in America that value their freedom and liberty America will remain free, But the cost will be in blood from time to time.
691 posted on 06/23/2005 12:02:41 PM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: Vicomte13
If you don't like that, then you have to change your Constitution, not shoot up some petty officeholders. The latter will only make the government more oppressive, as people in authority use violence against authority as justification to more severely crack down.

Perhaps the time will come when Americans realize that their Constitution of 1787 is a great document that has run its course, and the balance of powers in it places final authority in the wrong, unelected branch of government. To rebalance that will require substantially altering the US Constitution.

The Constitution needs no changing, just the legislative branch to get the balls to restrict the power the courts granted themselves in Marbury v Madison.

1,203 posted on 06/23/2005 8:17:11 PM PDT by Axenolith (This space for rent...)
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To: Vicomte13
It is the lack of will to rebalance the US Constitution by assigning the final authority to make decisions to a different, elected branch of government. Right now, final authority rests in the Supreme Court. As long as that is so, you will get one decision after another of a Roe v. Wade, guns-are-commerce and regulable (to zero), Walmart- can-have-your-house variety.

Stop repeating your nonsense. The FINAL AUTHORITY is the people. We elect the House and the Senate. If we want change, we must demand that the House and Senate pass laws/ammendments which protect our rights istead of erroding them.

The court "assumed" the authority to adjudicate what the law means. The people have "accepted" this usurption of power and the congress is all to willing to continue to allow it as they can wash thier collective hands of all bad decisions. This is NOT what the constitution was designed to allow.

The US Constitution, as written, is still valid. We, the People just need to reaffirm it's validity. There is NO NEED to change it and there is no need to move back to older, far more restictive forms of government (aka European Parlamentarian Forms).

1,317 posted on 06/24/2005 3:28:16 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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