Posted on 06/22/2005 11:14:18 AM PDT by hsmomx3
Oracle schools are below even public school standards. Not the worst, but not good either. 50% hispanic from the mines. Improving as Tucson expands northward. It's a training ground for new teachers who move on after a year or two. It's on the southern fringe of "Deliverance" country. I don't think they even have a High School. I think that they go south to Catalina.
In other words, HS folks are just making up their curriculum, right? Do you really think there are NO tests?
HS curricula come with tests that show what should have been learned, and how to improve deficiencies. Yes, you have to have a yardstick, I merely disagree that the one aimed at our backsides by the state is the one I must use.
"I have a special needs kid, so I like testing to see how she is doing compared to other kids her age."
Without getting too personal, do you, your doctor, or the state, administer the evaluation of your child?
"However, I know some parents of kids in public school who have been told their kids have problems, and the parents are in total denial."
Dingdingding! You begin to understand my point: I don't condemn PS teachers, but they can only do very little beyond what they're approved to do in terms of extra work with students. A great deal of PS parents are of the mindset of "it's the school's job" to ensure education.
"However, what if a parent is in denial about it and they are homeschooling their kid."
That's what is commonly referred to as a "logical disconnect". People who homeschool, By Far, are intensely involved with and aware of their kid's educational standing, and they are more apt to take the time and expend the extra energy to close the gaps.
You "know" wrong.
There is no such requirement.
There is only a requirement that parents file an annual affidavit with the Superintendant of Public Instruction.
The informal statistic I often hear bandied about is that within 5 years of graduation from college, most graduates are not working in their major field of study.
So what does that mean ? What it says to me is that college only gets your foot in the door; the rest you do for yourself.
Depending on when you went to school, that B/C average might just be the equivalent to a A/B average handed out today. And if you took the SAT before 1995, your 1100 SAT is worth 1200 points, at least up until last year.
Oracle board members maintain some students are not being educated at home, but are becoming victims of abuse or neglect.
Here's another argument I am sick and tired of. There's plenty of abuse and neglect of public schooled kids that falls through the cracks....there are cases in the news all the time but the only time the question is raised about how they are educated is if they are home schooled.
CC&E
Since home educated children don't eat school lunches are they also going to start monitoring their nutritional intake, require mandatory reporting of the contents of their meals, and force them to submit to mandatory nutritional testing? I don't think so. Why would they EVER be able to do the same with education?!
The bottom line is, they better stay the hell away from my children.
Yes, perhaps some parents are lazy. But, respectfully, it's none of your business to investigate whether some are or aren't, or whether some kids are falling thru the cracks.
Some teachers are lazy, too. Does that mean we should prohibit teachers from teaching until they meet a "not lazy" standard every year ?
No system is perfect, but one without compulsion and with choices is always best. You choose what's best for yours, and others do the same for theirs.
But, but, but...how will they have time to put condoms on bananas and learn that homosexuality is simply an alternative lifestyle and they better damn well tolerate it or else (course the homo kids aren't required to "tolerate" heterosexuality and embrace diversity)?
Wait till some judge decides home schooling parents have to teach their children about "lifestyle diversity." Of course, if we wait that long, we'll have waited too long.
"Unfortunately, many parents do not know how to tell if their kid has a learning disability."
Most parents take ther children to doctors, who administer appropriate testing.
"I have a daughter with brain damage, so we know there are issues with her."
May you be blessed to overcome her issues.
"However, there are lots of kids that just struggle with education, and no one does anything about it."
Once again, I would submit that homeschoolers are significantly more likely to be proactive in this regard than the public school counterparts.
"Even with kids in private and public school, these issues still get over-looked."
Yes, and quite exactly so. Multiply the problem by the sheer volume of students in a such mass schooling facilities, and the problem could be of epic proportions.
"One has their kid in private school, and the parents are basically paying off the school to pass him."
That's truly horrible.
"I also know of several parents in public school that have ignored the teachers when the teachers have told them to hold back their kid. The kid isn't passing, but the parents insist on putting the kid up a grade."
Yuk.
"I suggested having him tested, and they found out that the kid is dyslexic."
Who took the action? The parents, NOT the PS school. And that has been my point: HS parents are highly likely to know and CARE more about such things, which is why most go the HS route in the first place.
What they trun out is
"Just another brick in the wall".
LOL - they have more time to watch VH1 and other wonderful programming on the idiot box. And, if the homeschool kids play video games, they can even get their proper socialization by playing Grand Theft Auto and the like.
I'm not denying that teachers don't spot things.
I wish there could be a better way of figuring out who has a learning disability for all kids, however testing is one of those ways.
If your child does not perform well on a standardized test, then they should be evaluated in my opinion. I've had good results when the public school has tested my kids, so I have not spent the thousands of dollars on a private evaluation. However, if I thought I needed it I would.
Just because a teacher misses a diagnosis, doesn't mean that having standardized testing of homeschoolers is a bad idea.
Beat you to it! ;-) BTW, your redundant tagline is repetitive, unnecessary, and redundant.
Bureaucrats are survivalists...they will go to any lengths to insure the survivability of their own bureaucracy. The monster that is American goobmint bureaucracy is so out of hand that it may take another revolution to stop it.
Teacher, leave those kids alone.
"The informal statistic I often hear bandied about is that within 5 years of graduation from college, most graduates are not working in their major field of study."
I've been doing drafting/design/engineering since before graduating high school, so I guess I've got a lucky sense of clarity. :)
"So what does that mean ? What it says to me is that college only gets your foot in the door; the rest you do for yourself."
Aye. True!
"Depending on when you went to school, that B/C average might just be the equivalent to a A/B average handed out today. And if you took the SAT before 1995, your 1100 SAT is worth 1200 points, at least up until last year."
Why does it suddenly seem brighter in my cube? ;)
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