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Mark Steyn: Talk About "Sicko"
National Review Online ^ | July 4, 2005 issue | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/22/2005 8:00:40 AM PDT by Constitution Day

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To: Constitution Day
Universal health care means equality of inaccessibility. I mean there's this wonderful idea that's its free so I guess the Left gets its revenge knowing no one gets health care when they need it. After all, every one waits on the same terms. This isn't waiting for Godot and Mark Steyn is right to label Canada's perverse attitude, "sicko."

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
21 posted on 06/22/2005 9:49:26 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Constitution Day

BUMP.

Thanks for the ping, Pokes.


22 posted on 06/22/2005 10:06:14 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Men are ruled ... by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern - GKC)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
Only stupid thing I've ever seen Steyn write - why does he think Moore would let facts get in the way of one of his "documentaries"?

If Steyn wrote it and it sounds stupid, it must be mild sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek.

23 posted on 06/22/2005 10:21:09 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (SPC Casey Sheehan died trying to save his buddies. His leftist mom says it "wasn't worth it.")
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To: Mr. Silverback

great point


24 posted on 06/22/2005 10:32:48 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: NCSteve

"This is more proof of Michael Savage's claim that liberalism is a mental disorder."

If anyone knows about mental disorders, it's that guy!


25 posted on 06/22/2005 10:35:43 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Pokey78
We are going to begin wondering if Steyn is on steroids to pack such a wallop. BTT!

To spot drawbacks in your health care, you first have to be getting some.

26 posted on 06/22/2005 11:27:05 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Constitution Day

Of course, despite the government monopoly, Canadian health care does have a private sector. It’s called America.

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The very same people who promote buying our medications from Canada, do not share this little secret with Americans. While the Canadian politicians have done everything they can to prevent any private medical care in Canada, they just fly on down to the good ol' US for their medical needs.


27 posted on 06/22/2005 11:38:11 AM PDT by maica (Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home. ---Allegra (in Iraq))
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To: maica
The very same people who promote buying our medications from Canada, do not share this little secret with Americans. While the Canadian politicians have done everything they can to prevent any private medical care in Canada, they just fly on down to the good ol' US for their medical needs.

Uhm,  I buy them because it's cheaper.  Why should I care about their little 'secret?'
28 posted on 06/22/2005 12:12:03 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Constitution Day
This has vast implications for the Oscar-winning crockumentary maker Michael Moore, whose forthcoming film Sicko is a savage indictment of U.S. health care

And why should Moore care? Because HillaryCare is in the wings; stabbed like Shelob into retreat for a time, waiting to spring again on an unsuspecting American public.

29 posted on 06/22/2005 12:47:37 PM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: gcruse

I was commenting on the selectivity of the media when discussing the cost of various aspects of health care, not on the spending habits of an individual American. Sorry I was not more clear in my post.


30 posted on 06/22/2005 2:04:37 PM PDT by maica (Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home. ---Allegra (in Iraq))
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To: Constitution Day; Pokey78

Thank you so much for posting this, CD, and for the ping, Pokey.

This is a topic near and dear to my heart. Where shall I start, with my total frustration with the Canadian health care system? Maybe I'm madder than a lot of Canadians about it because for most of my life, I experienced the best health care system in the world.

So where to start. Let's see... I think you're both guys so I hope you don't mind if I say this :), but I could mention that I haven't had a pap smear in over four years because I don't have a family doctor (pap smears cannot be done when you visit the clinic on a walk-in clinic, basis, see below, which is the only basis you can visit a clinic if you don't have a family doctor) and I'm too old to go to the women's clinics (seriously, I was told, "our mission is really geared towards younger women" when I asked if I could get the procedure there).

But instead I think I'll recount that happy day I spent with my five year-old daughter, who had an oozing ear infection during Christmas in a remote Quebec town. The only thing open was the hospital, so we went in there bright and early. Little did we know we'd spend the next nine hours there.

I wasn't allowed to leave with my daughter and come back--or I would lose our place in line. At one point, well two hours had gone by with NO ONE being called to see a doctor.

I asked the nurse if there was anyone actually working behind the door, and the response was, "It's the doctor's dinnertime."

At this point I began talking to the crowd, kind of like, "are you going to take this, people?" Of course, everyone else was upset too, but in typical Canadian fashion, they don't do anything about it. "It's the way it is," is the reaction I got.

When my kids would get sick in the U.S., I'd call up that morning, and get an appointment the same day. Not here. You have to go to the walk-in clinic and sit. And sit. It's always an entire morning or afternoon. In fact, people line up a half an hour before the place opens just to be first! And sometimes there's a little scuffle for the Alpha spot when they finally open the door.

There's one man in Ottawa who was turned away for major heart surgery, even though the doctor said he was a "walking time bomb," because there weren't enough beds to do his surgery. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of these stories.

It's impossible to get a new family doctor--they're overworked and leaving, oftentimes to the States where they can actually get paid.

And in Quebec, there's the added obstacle of being fluent in French. There were two highly competent nurses in Montreal, in an English hospital--they never had to speak French with their patients.

They were fired, though, because they made two small grammar mistakes on a French exam.

The Canadian system is BROKEN.


31 posted on 06/22/2005 3:12:14 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Please check out my new & improved profile page!)
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To: proud American in Canada

well = well over :)


32 posted on 06/22/2005 3:13:14 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Please check out my new & improved profile page!)
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To: goldstategop

Their complaint isn't that the poor don't get healthcare, it's that the rich do!


33 posted on 06/22/2005 3:14:41 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: GMMAC; fanfan

Worthy of a Canada ping for discussion of the health care system? :)


34 posted on 06/22/2005 3:19:45 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Please check out my new & improved profile page!)
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To: Constitution Day

Beware of Hillary-Care in 2008

Steyn BTTT


35 posted on 06/22/2005 3:32:36 PM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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To: proud American in Canada

If you want treatment from a Canadian doctor, book a cruise from Florida in Oct., Nov. or Dec. I've met several Canadian doctors on such cruises. One told me that there is a maximum income they are allowed to earn in Canada, and when they pass it, it is attractive for them to sign on as ship's doctors for free passage.
It sounded to me like Canadians who get sick near the end of the year are in deep trouble.


36 posted on 06/22/2005 4:49:37 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Pokey78; Constitution Day
Impeccable in writing, facts, and "nuance"...IOW, typical Steyn...

Thanks for post and "ping"...gotta e-mail this to a couple folks! ;)

37 posted on 06/22/2005 5:02:25 PM PDT by 88keys
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To: Constitution Day
Acceptance of the initial concept of “waiting” is what matters.

Marxism at its best.

"Komrade, think of your komrade...he's been vaiting almost 3 years...should ve poot you in front of him?...No...no komrade, eets not hillary in front of you...she has the best medical coeverage available on the planet...what's dat you say?...how she affords it?...hahahaha komrade, she does not pay for dat...YOU do!...Hahahaha!......Come now...to operating room...komrade Swimmer Kennedyvitch needs a liver.......

FMCDH(BITS)

38 posted on 06/22/2005 5:37:18 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Mr. K

This situation is not uncommon among liberals.

The pinko-left LA Weekly is so cynical about government, and yet wants so much more of it.

I don't get it myself.

D


39 posted on 06/23/2005 4:03:29 AM PDT by daviddennis (;)
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To: proud American in Canada; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; ...
Thanks for the ping.

PING

Please let me know if you want on or off the Canada/Adscam ping list

40 posted on 06/23/2005 4:17:02 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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