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To: dervish
Before I forget let me respond about the price of oil bringing about unity in the U.S. The left, comprised in part by the Democrats and the MSM, want to bring about the destruction of this country as it now exists. We didn't even come together after 9/11. That is what Carl Rove's controversial speech was about. Even in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the left was blaming the U.S. and siding with the terrorists. They took temporary refuge in silence because of public backlash but they did not change. They are still allies of the terrorists.

They do all they can to prevent our oil independence, from claiming a small portion of frozen tundra in Alaska to be a pristine wilderness area, to preventing their cherished windmill driven alternative energy from being built near their homes. They handicap our industrial strength through a myriad of laws, regulations, and lawsuits all backed by lie-filled propaganda.

The house of Faud(?), the present rulers in Saudi is comprised of so many wives with so many children who in turn have multiple wives and children that most of the ruling class is intertwined family members. With a tradition of Wahhabism they are sort of trapped in their own cocoon. They have to give lip service to Islam, though some family members really are radical fundamentalists, to keep the population quieted while they themselves live quite different lives.

With that in mind I suppose the answer to your question as to the value of Saudi to us, absent the oil, it would be to keep the lid on the radical fundamentalists in SA by keeping the present branch of the family in control. Even though the Wahhabis operate out of there, the present rulers are probably better than their replacements will be. Clamping down completely on the radicals would imperial the rulers themselves.

Any mideast country with great oil wealth, be it Iraq, Iran, Libya, Saudi, Kuwait, or whomever, who are outright and aggressive Islamists pose a grave threat to all civilization. We can't allow that even if we must stand alone in our vigil.

52 posted on 06/24/2005 10:19:27 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

"Before I forget let me respond about the price of oil bringing about unity in the U.S."

That was not my trigger for unity. I said the crash of the US economy. And I still think most of the left(not the commies of course) would be screaming for action should they have no gas for their cars and no value for their money and investments.

But again this and the war against SA are digressions from my broader point. We are not dependant on SA oil. This is a fear tactic that needs to be challenged. It is dangerous to base foreign policy around this myth. It takes us back to the failed policies of the realist school which led to 9/11.

You and Rove say the left did not unify and blamed the US after 9/11. Well the Bush Doctrine blamed the failed policies of realism after 9/11. Pres Bush said - you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

Who do you think the Saudis are with? We are not living up to our own policies. Freeing Iraq and coddling SA is meaningless since SA is a more direct exporter of terrorism than Iraq ever was. They fund terror and teach it to children all over the world. 15 of 19. Why has the right forgotten that.


65 posted on 06/25/2005 7:11:15 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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