Posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:42 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
"Why is Israel the only country on earth where criticism of it is considered a form of racism?"
Because there is always one standard (impossibly high) for Israel, and one for everybody else. Constant criticism of Israel, while saying little or nothing about the crimes and human rights abuses of Castro, Kim Jong-Il, Arafat, Mugabe, the ChiComs, etc., is a convenient way for anti-Semites to express their hatred of Jews.
You've answered your own question. Depending on just how far to the left the "liberal Jew" is, you begin to see a shift from the philosophical view and even belief system from "Jew" to "Liberal." I've got family members who are "liberal Jews," but some take their Judaism seriously, while others are leftists who just happen to be Jews. Liberalism has become their "religion."
Mark
Yes, I believe he was prosecuted, there was a trial, and Israeli judges found him innocent (I can't remember all the details - it was well over 18 years ago).
In fact, he was in the Israeli courtroom doing the sign of the cross (though he kept doing it backwards).
It happened in Cleveland, where I live.
He's a retired Ford worker, and it was/is big news.
The only thing they could prove was the immigration papers, and he's been biding his time on appeals with it.
I meant in the US.
Briefly, he was thought to be Ivan the Terrible, and charged in Israel (Israel only charges major figures, which Ivan was) with crimes committed under both identities. He was convicted for the crimes of both Ivan and Demanjuk. After the fall of the iron curtain, evidence from the Soviets proved conclusively he wasn't Ivan. The Israeli Supreme Court overturned the conviction. The prosecutor wanted to charge him with the Demanjuk crimes, but was overruled by the court, since his deportation to Israel was based on the Ivan identity, so he was sent back.
The only interest of the US is the immigration violation, which every court has upheld. Israel isn't interested in him as Demanjuk. He's a small fry. I understand there's no where to deport him to, but if a prosecution were to occur it would be in Poland, where the crimes were committed, and rightfully I don't think they're interested, or the nation he's deported to. My guess he'll die here.
Israel gets piled on worse than any other country, except perhaps the USA. We are an economic and military superpower and have the luxury of not worrying about our survival as a nation when parts of the "international community" try to gang up on us. Israel's situation is much more tenuous in the world.
No, I don't think that's a fair summary. The simple explanation is that a new term was needed for the seemingly inexplicable observation that certain Jews seemed to exhibit a special hostility toward the Jewish state, or toward steps being taken for the survival of the Jewish people. Calling a Jew an anti-Semite requires some explanation, and appears to involve a self-contradiction. There is a lot of verbal and scholastic talent in the Jewish community, so someone coined the phrase "self-hating Jew" to describe the situation, and to call attention to the inherent absurdity of the position.
Why is Israel the only country on earth where criticism of it is considered a form of racism? I've never heard anyone call someone of English ancestry who criticizes the UK a "self-hating Anglo-Saxon".
I think that's an interesting question. Let's analyze it.
First, I don't think you have fairly summarized the situation. In general, I don't think people are calling those who make isolated criticisms of single actions of Israel anti-Semites. It may happen, sure, but broadly I think it merely engenders a watchfulness for the possibility.
Watchfulness for what? For a pattern. A consistent pattern of singling out the Jewish state for criticism, for actions for which the same writer is silent or even indulgent about when committed by other states. I agree that once such a pattern is detected, an accusation of anti-Semitism often ensues.
Why? What's special about Israel in that respect? I mean, if someone consistently criticizes the actions of the Zimbabwean government, few assume an anti-black racism. Quite the contrary, actually. One reasonably concerned with the well-being of Black people, or people in general, ought to be critical of Mugabe's regime.
So what's different about Israel?
Israel is a state with a mission: a mission to be the home of last resort for the Jewish people. The Holocaust happened, but Israel is a living testament to the Jewish people's determination that if there is a next time, things will be different. If nothing else is different, this will be: there will be Israel to go to, if things fall apart.
Naturally enough, then, an attitude that Israel has no right to exist is therefore perceived as anti-Semitism, and you would probably agree that it is.
But most of the critics aren't saying that, right? They're just criticising Israel's actions, right? So what's the problem?
To answer it, I ask you to picture America in Israel's situation. Every week or month, some worthless scum goes to a mall in New Jersey, or a restaurant in Colorado, or a hotel in New York, and blows himself and a bunch of innocent people to smithereens. What would you want the government to do?
My answers to that question would make Israel's behavior seem downright tame. So I don't get the criticism of what seem like very measured responses to an utterly intolerable threat, and I strongly suspect that a consistent pattern of such criticism indicates an antipathy to something about Israel itself, or its people. Given the history of world hostility to Jewry, a conclusion of anti-Semitism is not a big leap. But I would grant the point that in many cases a poisoning with the Marxist meme would be a more precise explanation.
Excellent analysis. I'm printing several copies. Thank you for posting it. b
So there have been worldwide conferences and UN resolutions equating Americanism with racism?
There have been Emergency UN Sessions on only one country to date, Israel. Israel averages 20 plus UN Resolutions condemning it a year, for the past 10 years. UK none. France none. US none.
Three 'D's :
Deligitimization (Zionism is racism)
Demonization (Israel is an Apartheid state, Sharon is Hitler)
Double Standard (Israel can't build a wall even though Saudi Arabia, Thailand, India have walls; Israel denies its citizens human rights when it has the best rights record in the region)
These three indicate not legitimate political criticism, but a biased agenda.
If your point is that the left is also anti-American. You are correct. But that is not accompanied by attacks on American institutions and persons in Europe, for instance. And there was no move to boycott US products or universities or companies which do business with the US.
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If your criticism consists of saying that a country should cease to exist and all its citizens exterminated then that would be a form of racism.
Why is Israel the only country on earth where criticism of it is considered a form of racism? I've never heard anyone call someone of English ancestry who criticizes the UK a "self-hating Anglo-Saxon".
I wasn't aware that Holocaust denial and rationalization of the burning of synagogues constituted a "criticism of the government of Israel."
Say hello to Willis and Fidel at the concert.
Atzmon isn't advocating a Torah state. He's denying the Holocaust, rationalizing the burning of synagogues, and denying that Israel should exist. I criticize the current State of Israel all the time. Funny how no "palaeos" come to the defense of critics of Israel like me (instead they defend suicidal Israeli concessions).
The survival of the Jewish people? I can agree that the state of Israel - the actual political entity itself - is in a somewhat precarious position nowadays. But Jews have been living in America since the colonial era, and their survival doesn't seem to be in any danger at all. Don't misunderstand me - I'm not the least bit in favor of seeing Israel get dismantled. I just want to call a duck a duck.
But I would grant the point that in many cases a poisoning with the Marxist meme would be a more precise explanation.
That's the way I see it, too. It comes across to me as a more anti-Western than anti-Semitic outlook. It's true that France and Germany don't get the same treatment, because those countries have ceased quite some time ago to stand up for their cultural roots. So that primarily leaves the U.S. and Israel, though Britain and Taiwan get similar treatment from time to time as well, in proportion as they stand up for Western values (and I'd wager that Poland's about to join the club pretty soon, too). But overall, I find the term "self-hating Jew" a bit difficult to accept - the burden of such a bizarre accusation is on the accuser (though I'd agree that this Atzmon character seems to meet that burden of proof, but he's a very unusual case, even among leftists).
The U.S. isn't living on the front lines the way Israel is, so the opportunities for bashing aren't the same. The acid test of anti-Semitism is if a person can live among and interact with Jews without feelings of hostility. If he can, then everything else is political opinions, "legitimate" or not. Certainly a lot of leftist criticism of Israel is irrational. But that doesn't make it anti-Semitic, just anti-Western. The left wants the entire West to become weak so it can impose a communist agenda.
"Why is it that liberal Jewish Democrats vehemently oppose John Bolton for UN Ambassador?"
It is mystifying that some simply do not see how precarious our situation is in the middle east. I can only imagine that it is done reflexively to spite Bush who is hated more by the dems than was Nixon.
"The problem stems from trying to prove they were there"
No, the problem stemmed from the forged Soviet supplied proof that Demjanuk was Ivan the Terrible. The Kremlin has made great gains by beating the "Ukrainians are anti semites" drum periodically.
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