Gov. Pataki was the one that was duped. When everyone approved the Memorial, it was presented differently. Once finalized, the plans got changed.
We are all working on this from different angles to kill this.
Posted on 06/20/2005 8:24:53 PM PDT by hipaatwo
Yes, I saw/heard that as well.
If there was any truth to that, these dates don't jive with that interview ...
These dates are the dates that he requested records be sent to the new outlets. Perhaps he signed a 180 for himself to receive all records, so he could sanitize them prio to sending them to the papers. IMO
All the records should be in one place, St. Louis, as the instructions and the title for section I indicate, that information is only for purposed of identifying the individual. In section II he requested an Undeleted report of separation for "all years", which would include the reserve years. But as importantly, it would include his original DD-214 (Report of Separation from Active Duty), which should have been issued when he separated from active duty, not years later as the one he had on his campaign website appears to have been.
Gov. Pataki was the one that was duped. When everyone approved the Memorial, it was presented differently. Once finalized, the plans got changed.
We are all working on this from different angles to kill this.
>>>Perhaps he signed a 180 for himself to receive all records, so he could sanitize them prio to sending them to the papers.
That makes sense; but, that 180 would be available in the FOIA, no?
Yep, but my point was that there likely wasn't a competent person on Kerry's staff. Now that I've got the link, maybe I should do a 180 for my 20 years of service and send a copy to JF'ns office to serve as an example. I'm not even running for dogcatcher, but I wouldn't hesitate signing a 180 for ALL my records. Just about anybody that has served honorably wouldn't hesitate, hence JF'n is hesitating.
IIRC...and I may not as it is very late, I thought he was only in the Reserves 2 years.
Ummmm, hard to say. He is a SINator, dontchaknow.
Not 'legally'.
"As a true blonde, I can personally verify for you that white out doesn't work on a computer screen."
LOL. As a true gentleman, I won't ask you for proof.
I'd have to check the dates but I'm fairly certain it was quite a bit longer than 2 years from his active duty to his final separation, something closer to 6 years. I believe that Gridley did her WestPac cruise before I did mine in 1972 and his final separation wasn't until 1978.
Roger that..!...Mine was 8 digits for the time period we are concerned with. I punched out in 75 with 9 digits...!
Section I - Information needed to locate records
5. Service: Past and Present
a. Active Service
b. Reserve Service
c. National Guard
hmmmm...I don't know...it looks to me to be a slight of hand/loophole. You could be right - it just seems dubious to me.
Yeah, well ... legal is in the eye of the beholder!
I'm not saying that it would automatically result in a records request for a U.S. Senator being rejected, but
A) the 'requestor' box isn't checked
B) the 'years of service' and 'officer/enlisted' boxes aren't filled in (when it pointedly says that "For an effective records search it is important all service be shown below")
C) there are three restrictions on the types of records, just
1) U.S. Navy; (when it pointedly says that "For an effective records search it is important all service be shown below," and he was in the Reserves)
2) military service; and
3) medical records
Now, call me crazy, but I would be very surprised to discover the records folks would kick out records without that form filled out to a T. I also wouldn't think that if you asked for all records pertaining to "military service," medical records would normally be excluded UNLESS there are other types of records we don't know about that weren't included, either. And others have noted that this doesn't necessarily include the Naval Reserve years he served.
That said, even if this were all that was required and we had a blank check for his records, I'd be suspicious anyway. WTF took so long if it was all about his grades? Why not just release everything to everyone like Bush did? I don't buy it.
Take a close look at the forms Kerry allegedly remitted. Sect I, 2, 3, 4,. Sect II, 1. Xed but struck out (on all three forms). Sect III, 3. No phone calls, s'il vous plait!
Besides poor handwriting ( one would think a US Senator would have the form typed), what yeoman or clerk/typist would process said forms with redacted information. [(b)(6)] = [(bs)].
This whole thing is BOGUS!
I believe that Gridley did her WestPac cruise before I did mine in 1972 and his
His first year of duty, from June 1967 to June 1968, was spent aboard the USS Gridley.
January 3, 1970, status changes from active to inactive duty in the Naval Reserves. July 1, 1972 transferred to Standby Reserve, "inactive"
However, because he did not properly fill out this form it would be unusual if the request is even granted.
Another telltale sign about his penchant for things "European:" Look at the number "7" in his service record number. He printed the "7" in the European fashion...with that line across the / part of the number. I know some people who do this, usually those who are "snooty" or trying to impress others. However, maybe this is a hold over from military days - do they make their "7" that way? If so, he sure did not apply the same attention to detail throughout the completion of this form. What a sloppy job he did.
"Senator" Kerry, you get an "F" for effort, penmanship, and following directions on a form. Just like you do everything else, half-ar$ed and unacceptable.
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http://www.nysun.com/article/15790
"A spokesman for Mr. Kerry rebuffed a request from the Sun for access to the service and medical files released to the other three news organizations."
Why?
So release of his records to three of his liberal buddies and no one else is considered a release to the public?
What a joke.
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