Posted on 06/20/2005 3:27:22 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Ashes of Terri Schiavo buried 12 minutes ago
The remains of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman whose fate sparked a highly politicized right-to-die battle, were buried on Monday in Florida, her husband's lawyer said.
The interment of Schiavo's ashes took place nearly three months after she died and five days after pathologists released results of an autopsy that showed her to have had massive brain damage and no hope of recovery. Her condition resulted from a collapse in 1990 that deprived her brain of oxygen.
The burial at Sylvan Abbey Memorial Park in Clearwater, Florida, was held in the presence of her husband, Michael Schiavo, some of his brothers and a priest, attorney George Felos said in a brief statement.
The autopsy results supported court findings during a long legal battle between Schiavo's parents and her husband that she was in a persistent vegetative state, meaning she could not think or feel, pathologists who conducted the autopsy said last week.
The courts consistently supported Michael Schiavo's stance that his wife would not have wanted to live in this state and should be allowed to die.
Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, believed she had some hope for recovery and fought for seven years to keep her alive in a campaign that attracted support from right-to-life activists, Christian evangelicals and the Vatican.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
And when that ceases to be the case, we will be lesser for it.
And with this final act, Saint Michael has done all he could to dishonor his wife and figuratively spit at his in-laws.
He, and his buddies felos and greer, cannot kill her a second time.
I seem to remember somebody many years ago warning people not to fear those who could only kill the body, but to fear Him who can kill the soul.
But what the heck do I know, anyway.
Our wonderful court system, and her saintly husband, must have known what was best.
Looks worse since the autopsy report? I beg to differ - all the bogus claims of abuse have been exposed as baseless, the true extent of his wife's brain damage is known (including the blindness).
I'm not saying he's been exonerated, but he's certainly looking better than before the autopsy. That's the problem with making phony claims, presuming for the moment the phony clams were made for the best reasons - even if there was any dirt there in the first place, it's been lost in the lies told about him.
The bar has now been raised for those who want to bring charges of any kind against Schiavo, since so many past charges have been shown to be baseless.
Have you even read the autopsy report, or did you just get your facts from what the media says about the autopsy?
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They took some journalistic liberty with that statement.
Disorder in court? Demers demurs
HOWARD TROXLER. St. Petersburg Times
Jun 14, 2005
True news item: Charles W. Cope, then a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge, is arrested while attending a judicial conference in California. Police accuse him of trying to enter a hotel room occupied by two women. The arrest is kept secret by Pinellas' chief judge for months.
True news item: Months after the voters fire Circuit Judge Bonnie Newton, as the state pursued disciplinary charges against her, the public learns that Pinellas' past and current chief judges arranged for her to take a courthouse job to preserve her pension.
True news item: Brandt C. Downey, a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge, disappears from the bench for two weeks without explanation to the public. Chief Judge David A. Demers says he is "not at liberty" to say why. Reports suggest allegations of sexual harassment and computer pornography. Downey returns to the bench, also without explanation.
True news item: In an unusual midyear shakeup, Chief Judge Demers reassigns six Pinellas-Pasco judges - including Downey - without explanation. Courthouse spokesman Ron Stuart declines to say whether the moves are related to Downey.
Judge Demers' statement: "Occasionally, we make changes in assignments in the middle of the calendar year, and this is one of those occasions."
FUTURE HEADLINES FROM PASCO-PINELLAS COURTS
August 2005: Large black helicopters land atop Pinellas courthouse, emitting several dozen federal agents with assault rifles. Chief Judge Demers issues a statement: "From time to time, federal agents raid the courthouse, and this is one of those occasions." November 2005: Lawyers and defendants arriving at the courthouse discover it is locked, with a handwritten sign on the door saying, "Back in 15 minutes." Chief Judge Demers declines to comment. Court spokesman Stuart says there is "nothing here worth talking about."
March 2006: Large alien spacecraft lands at courthouse and kidnaps several judges. Chief Judge Demers issues statement: "From time to time alien spacecraft arrive at the courthouse, and this is one of those occasions."
July 2006: Courthouse closed again. Eerie screams and creaking noises coming from within. Strange glow from building at night. Courthouse spokesman Stuart says "nothing unusual" occurring.
August 2006: All Pinellas-Pasco judges hold court wearing red rubber noses. Chief Judge Demers calls it "an internal matter." Courthouse spokesman Stuart says "the policy will have to speak for itself."
September 2006: New rule states that all trial verdicts will be kept secret from now on, with jury foremen allowed to tell defendants only, "That's for us to know, and you to find out." Chief Judge Demers declines comment.
October 2006: Entire courthouse covered with large circus tent. Chief Judge Demers calls the reason "a private matter that I cannot discuss."
January 2007: Courthouse documents reveal the purchase of 10,243 banana cream pies. Courthouse spokesman Stuart declines comment, calling it "a matter of security."
March 2007: New rule: All jurors must be left-handed. Asked for an explanation, Chief Judge Demers demurs.
June 2007: Large pile of tax dollars placed in courthouse lobby, set on fire. Chief Judge Demers declines comment except to say, "From time to time, large amounts of taxpayers dollars are placed in a large pile and set on fire, and this is one of those occasions."
August 2007: Entire Pinellas courthouse complex disappears, leaving gaping hole in the ground. Chief Judge Demers says he "can't talk about it."
June 2005-August 2007, inclusive: Nearly 1 million Pinellas taxpayers and 18 million Florida taxpayers underwrite court system, their lives governed by judges, their divorces settled, their crimes judged, their disputes weighed, the course of their lives determined by secretive, none-of-your-business courthouse, while everybody feels smug and superior to the more "corrupt" courthouse over in Tampa.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/853610931.html?MAC=bc322e45d7ea0b3504eb241193b0d7e7&did=853610931&FMT=FT&FMTS=FT&date=Jun+14%2C+2005&author=HOWARD+TROXLER&printformat=&desc=Disorder+in+court%3F+Demers+demurs
I missed it ! Must have been pretty bad...
"Mrs. Schiavo's parents, as ordered by the court, have been advised of the exact location of Mrs. Schiavo's site," Felos' statement said.
David Gibbs, an attorney for the woman's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said inscribing the marker that way was a nasty political statement by Michael Schiavo, who held the service and burial Monday before telling her family.
"Obviously, that's a real shot and another unkind act toward a grieving mom and dad," Gibbs said.
Well it might be the last of Terri's name but there is already a potential situation in Florida except the husband is the one with brain damage -and- it's in Jim King's district. If the situation does escalate the Jacksonville media will try their best not to step on dear Jim's toes.
I have done nothing to earn your scorn, thank you very much.
I've read enough of it. I also do not believe that there is a vast conspiracy in all the media, including Fox News, to disinform the public as to its contents.
Have you read the whole thing? Would you care to tell me where specifically my opinion is incorrect?
as lonng as Dr. Hannity has questions, the threads continue.
It was reported about a week ago that he was in NYC shopping his book deal.
May his life be filled with as much cruelty, inhumanity and indecency as he lavished on his "ticket" and her family.
Frankly I don't care what your opinion is. Go away!
Fine by me. Don't read my posts if you don't want to talk.
Bye!
I definatly won't from now on. Nothing in your post worth reading.
"Instead of clearing up the many questions concerning the life and death of Terri Shiavo, the report on the autopsy of her remains only raises even more questions. Rather than confirming the many dubious claims of her husband, his lawyers and their allies in the media about her real condition and its cause, it strongly suggests that the claims were unsupported by the facts.
Moreover, instead of being conducted free of any possible bias, the medical examiner largely relied on the so-called medical records supplied by one of Michael Schiavo's lawyers.
According to the authoritative TEJ, the major source of inside information about Schiavo case, the medical examiner, Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner (ME) Jon Thogmartin said he based some of his autopsy findings on medical reports and records provided by Gary Fox.
Fox was one of two medical malpractice attorneys for Michael Schiavo.
In fact, Thogmartin specifically stated that he could not have completed the autopsy without those records and said that the case would have to remain open because many records of the case, now unexplainably missing, might someday become available.
Wrote Thogmartin: "It is the policy of this office that no case is ever closed and that all determinations are to be reconsidered upon receipt of credible new information, In addition to fading memories, the 15-year survival of Mrs. Schiavo after her collapse resulted in the creation of a voluminous number of documents many of which were lost or discarded over the years. Receipt of additional information that clarifies outstanding issues may of shall cause an amendment of her cause and manner of death."
He adds: "What was the cause and manner of death? Mrs. Schiavo suffered a severe anoxic brain injury. The cause of which cannot be determined with reasonable medical certainty. The manner of death will therefore be certified as undetermined."
In that statement Thogmartin appears to agree with Michael Schiavo's assertion that his wife "had died fifteen years earlier."
Yet if that Terri actually died during her 1991 "accident" and that she was being "artificially kept alive" in spite of the fact that her body was "shutting down," why did Dr. Thogmartin state that Terri was "a relatively healthy woman who could have easily survived another 10 or 15 years."
'The Living Dead'
Says Troy Newman of Operation Rescue, "It seems as though Dr. Thogmartion and his cohort medical examiners are creating a third class of human - the living dead. There are those of us who are alive, those who are dead, and now thanks to the Orwellian Thought Police, we have those, like Terri, who were somewhere in between life and death, hovering in a zombie-like existence."
Added to that, Thogmartin's refusal to allow an independent medical expert chosen by Terri's parents, the widely acclaimed Alleghany County Medical examiner Dr. Cyril Wecht, or even one chosen by Terri's husband Michael for that matter, to observe the autopsy procedure raises serious doubts that his report on the post mortem examination was unbiased.
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SHE DIED FROM HAVING NOURISHMENT AND WATER WITHHELD FOR 13 DAYS AS ANY OF US WOULD DIE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE! ========================================================
Schiavo Autopsy Only Muddies Case
"As stated earlier, Terri's condition was brought about when her brain was deprived of oxygen for an elongated period of time. The initial explanation for this was that she suffered from an eating disorder, Bulemia, or that she had a heart attack. The autopsy ruled both out, leaving the cause of her collapse an open question.
According to Terrisfight.org, the record shows that after the "accident," her husband Michael called Terri's brother Bobby who lived in the same apartment complex. He then called Terri's father (who said, "Call 911!!") and then called his lawyer. He did not call 911 first.
He called his lawyer?
According to the police reports, when the paramedics got there, Terri was face-planted in the carpet. Michael did not turn her over as he testified. If he'd only turned her over and tried CPR, perhaps she'd have gotten enough oxygen to be less brain damaged/impaired........."
In their extensive investigation of the Schiavo case, TEJ found that "it is indisputable that Terri Schindler-Schiavo sustained brain damage as the result of a suspicious incident at her Florida home, which occurred sometime during the evening of Feb. 24, 1990 or the early morning hours of Feb. 25, 1990, which resulted in the deprivation of oxygen to her brain for four to six minutes.
The stated cause of Terri's injuries was said to be an alleged cardiac arrest resulting from a potassium imbalance due to an eating disorder. However, medical and forensic experts have dispelled that with medical evidence and publicly stated that a crime of strangulation, attempted murder, occurred.
The family believes that Michael Schiavo and Terri had a violent argument earlier in the evening she collapsed and the medical evidence seems to support, that Terri Schiavo may have been a strangulation victim that evening.
The hospital admittance records from 1990 show evidence of trauma to Terri Schiavo's neck. Her friends have testified during court proceedings that she was unhappy in her marriage to Schiavo and was allegedly contemplating a divorce from Michael Schiavo who was allegedly possessive and jealous.
Although the police report taken Feb. 25, 1990, by the St. Petersburg Police Department indicates that the incident should be routed to the homicide division, it was not and no criminal investigation of the matter has ever been conducted. According to the police report, the two officers from the St. Petersburg Police Department responding to the call were Philip Brewer and Rodney Tower. Perhaps one of the reasons there was virtually no investigation of the entire matter (officers arrived at 6:33 a.m. and completed their "investigation" at 8:55 a.m.) was that Tower was only a probationary officer.
"There are three forms of strangulation - hanging, ligature and manual. Almost all attempted or actual homicides by strangulation involve either ligature or manual strangulation, according to a manual regarding the investigation and prosecution of strangulation cases written by Gael B. Strack, San Diego assistant city attorney; and Dr. George McClane, emergency physician. The manual was edited by David C. James, deputy city attorney for San Diego and was updated in May, 1999.
According to that manual:
Ten percent of violent deaths in the U.S. each year are due to strangulation, six females to every male. Ligature strangulation is strangulation with a cord-like object, also referred to as garroting, and many include anything from a telephone cord to articles of clothing. Manual strangulation, throttling, is usually done with the hands, but notable variants include using the forearms, as when police officers used carotid restraint, to standing or kneeling on the victim's throat.
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The general clinical sequence of a victim who is being strangled is one of severe pain, followed by unconsciousness, followed by brain death. The victim will lose consciousness by any one or all of the following: blocking of the carotid arteries (depriving the brain of oxygen), blocking of the jugular veins (preventing deoxygenated blood from exiting the brain) and closing off the airway, causing the victim to be unable to breath. Only 11 pounds of pressure placed on both carotid arteries for 10 seconds is necessary to cause unconsciousness.* However, if pressure is released immediately, consciousness will be regained within 10 seconds. After 50 seconds of continuous oxygen deprivation, the victim rarely recovers."
Mikey's foundational claim of bulimia as definitely the cause of Terri's problems was roundly shot down by the medical examiner that was handpicked by the judge that Mikey seemed to have in his pocket for some reason all along.
Interesting post, Starwise. i'll come back to it later.
btw highball, reading "enough" of the autopsy report is not enough. Come back after you read it twice AND looked up all the medical terms you didnt know
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