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Did Ancient Polynesians Visit California? Maybe So
SF Gate ^ | 6-20-2005 | Keay Davidson

Posted on 06/20/2005 3:27:04 PM PDT by blam

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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Interesting. Just an aside, but is it just me, or did everyone except European Christians visit North America prior to 1492? Sure seems that way, from all the articles the last few years.

You figured that out huh?
Well, you see, the objective is not to establish what happened when (it's irrelevant). The main objective is to make the real accomplisment of white European males insignificant, since he was not the first. Never mind that all the others were inconsequential.

What is the value of cultural and anthropological curiosity? For me pretty much zero. For people without a life, it is the cat's meow.

The only cultural fallout that I care about is the resulting posture, for instance, by American indians to claim cultural ownership of everything because they happened to be here when the European arrived.

To them I say, "Bite me".

21 posted on 06/20/2005 4:10:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: blam

So, how did Kennewick Man get here?
He was a white guy.


22 posted on 06/20/2005 4:16:49 PM PDT by G Larry (Honor the fallen and the heroes of 9/11 at the Memorial Site.)
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To: USF
It is important for the American public to know that although this political movement by Muslims may be somewhat new, Muslims have been a part of the fabric of this society, in some fashion, since before Columbus. Muslim explorers visited the West Coast long ago. Arabic writings have been found in some caves in California. The name "California" comes from the Arabic word calif, meaning ruler or leader.

I wonder if this nut case thought it unimportant to elaborate on his absurd statements:

What arabic writing?
What caves in California?

I never knew that the word caliph was ever spelled "calif". I will have to visit the original Encyclopedia Britanica, and the OED. We may have to extensively revise a few of our classic books of learning.

Wait.

Never mind.

23 posted on 06/20/2005 4:18:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: G Larry
He was a white guy.Nah-Ahh!
We want those freakin' bones and stop talking about it!
24 posted on 06/20/2005 4:20:33 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: ml/nj

Do you think my ancestors were unable to do this because we aren't European? I've heard this statement tossed about for most of my life. No one questions that Europeans were capable of sailing around the world, but when it comes to non-Europeans there certainly many who cannot believe that "savages" were smart enough to do it.


25 posted on 06/20/2005 4:21:34 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (Support Our Troops-->It's The Least Any Of Us Can Do...www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: USF

Depressing to think anyone actually believes that Muslims- discovering- California garbage!


26 posted on 06/20/2005 4:26:18 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: blam
Interesting. Not overly surprising (to me at least). Humans have been migratory since at least 15000 years ago. Did you know that there are descendents of African pygmies in the Philipines? They are called the "negritos", little blacks. Their ancestors came there 5000 years ago!
27 posted on 06/20/2005 4:28:09 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: USF

Textbook on Arabs removes blunder


By George Archibald
THE WASHINGTON TIMES (SNIP)


An Indian tribe has forced distributors of an Arab studies guide for U.S. teachers to remove an inaccurate passage that says Muslim explorers preceded Christopher Columbus to North America and became Algonquin chiefs.
Peter DiGangi, director of Canada's Algonquin Nation Secretariat in Quebec, called claims in the book, the "Arab World Studies Notebook," "preposterous" and "outlandish," saying nothing in the tribe's written or oral history support them.
(none)
The 540-page book says the Muslim explorers married into the Algonquin tribe, resulting in 17th-century tribal chiefs named Abdul-Rahim and Abdallah Ibn Malik.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040416-120208-4455r.htm

American Muslim History (SNIP)

A Chronological Observation
By Fareed H. Numan (December 1992)

(Edited by Ishaq Zahid for islam101.com)

Unquestionably, Muslims have made an impact on the evolution of American society. Historically Muslims have made major contribution, e.g. humanities, the sciences, and art. They explored North America 300 years before the so-called "discovery" of the New World by Christopher Columbus. They used the Mississippi river as their access route to and from the continent's interior. Here are a few glimpses of Muslim life in American History:

1178
A Chinese document know as the Sung Document records the voyage of Muslim sailors to a land know as Mu-Lan-Pi (America). Mention of this document is contained in the publication, the Khotan Amiers, 1933.
1310 Abu Bakari (Abu Bakar), a Muslim king of the Malian Empire, spearheads a series of sea voyages to the New World.
1312 African Muslims (Mandinga) arrive in the Gulf o Mexico for exploration of the American interior using the Mississippi River as their access route. These Muslim explorers were from Mali and other parts of West Africa.
1513 Pri Ries completes his first world map, including the American, after research maps from all over the world. The practicality and artistry of his map surpassed any from his time or before.
1530 African slaves arrive in America. During the slave trade, more than 10 million Africans were uprooted from their homes and brought to American shores. Many of these slaves were from the Fulas, Fula Jallon, Fula Toro, and Massiona as well as other areas of West Africa. These areas were governed from their capital, "Timbuctu." These slaves were sent to Mexico, Cuba, and South America. More than 30 percent of these 10 million slaves were Muslim. They became the backbone of the American economy.

http://www.islam101.com/history/muslim_us_hist.html

The Muslims Discovered Australia (SNIP)

Sheikh Al-Hilali also claims that Afghan Muslims preceded Captain Cook in his discovery of Australia:(11) "Australia is an old-new continent. The Europeans issued a false birth certificate for it when the British seafarer Captain James Cook reached it. However, Australia already had the most ancient race of men on the face of the earth - the Aborigine people... They continue to live their primitive lives to this very day.

"But when you become acquainted with their traditions among their tribes, you find that they have customs such as circumcision, marriage ceremonies, respect for tribal elders, and burial of the dead - all customs that show that they were connected to ancient Islamic culture before the Europeans set foot in Australia.

The Muslims Discovered Australia

Sheikh Al-Hilali also claims that Afghan Muslims preceded Captain Cook in his discovery of Australia:(11) "Australia is an old-new continent. The Europeans issued a false birth certificate for it when the British seafarer Captain James Cook reached it. However, Australia already had the most ancient race of men on the face of the earth - the Aborigine people... They continue to live their primitive lives to this very day.

"But when you become acquainted with their traditions among their tribes, you find that they have customs such as circumcision, marriage ceremonies, respect for tribal elders, and burial of the dead - all customs that show that they were connected to ancient Islamic culture before the Europeans set foot in Australia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12226

AM I BEGINNING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE?


28 posted on 06/20/2005 4:30:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Publius6961

Yeah, can't have some white guy's bones show up, that illustrate an American presence 9200 years ago.

That'd screw up several politically correct agendas.


29 posted on 06/20/2005 4:31:21 PM PDT by G Larry (Honor the fallen and the heroes of 9/11 at the Memorial Site.)
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To: G Larry
So, how did Kennewick Man get here? He was a white guy.

Yes he predates all these pikers by thousands of years and anyone looking at him can clearly see he was Irish. Now I was a casino and ½ priced tobacco.

30 posted on 06/20/2005 4:32:37 PM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: Frank_2001; Publius6961
Depressing to think anyone actually believes that Muslims- discovering- California garbage!

All they need is just a little historical revisionism for enough Muslims to believe, so they can justify "reclaiming" (ie, conquering) "Muslim land" from us filthy kuffar, and "revert" everything back to the good 'ole days of the darul Islam..

Note this article too:

“Not only were there African Muslims who were here in America as explorers before Christopher Columbus, but a third of the African slaves who were brought here during the slave trade were Muslims,”

31 posted on 06/20/2005 4:37:40 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: usurper

was = want stupid Irish boy


32 posted on 06/20/2005 4:39:30 PM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: rudyudy

Maybe the Portugese taught them how to navigate too.


33 posted on 06/20/2005 4:40:26 PM PDT by Sundown2005
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To: USF
Heh heh. The religion of lying "don't need no steenkin truth."

The only things not discovered by Islamics were invented by Al Gore. And he "don't need no steenkin truth either."

34 posted on 06/20/2005 4:41:00 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is the wolf at the door. Shall we pet it...or kill it?)
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To: Fred Nerks
AM I BEGINNING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE?

heheh... see #31 Fred.

And then ya better remove the "evidence" of all those camels in Australia before they "claim" your homeland back too..

35 posted on 06/20/2005 4:41:10 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

The European christians weren't invited.


36 posted on 06/20/2005 4:44:36 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: usurper

Ya, all of the Irish guys I know have a nose like that.....


37 posted on 06/20/2005 4:45:01 PM PDT by G Larry (Honor the fallen and the heroes of 9/11 at the Memorial Site.)
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To: El Gran Salseron

Are you sure? According to some on this thread, it was impossible. I guess my ancestors were too stupid to do it. I had to laugh at the guy that pointed out that they would have had to take Polynesian women with them. He must assume that all civilizations had physically weak women. That has never been something Polynesians have ever had to worry about.


38 posted on 06/20/2005 4:45:08 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (Support Our Troops-->It's The Least Any Of Us Can Do...www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: Fred Nerks

Hey- now I get it. When Ward Churchill claims to be a "native American", he means "Muslim".


39 posted on 06/20/2005 4:45:39 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: blam
Great post blam. Closer study of Chumash boat technology has been high on my study agenda for several years now. I live about 4 miles from some amazing Chumash rock art but it's hard to access -- off limits, so to speak. One of them shows a rescue operation after a boat capsized. I've long felt there might be some very interesting diffusion clues lurking there but hadn't tied it to Polynesians. I was thinking more along the lines of clues to boats built like whatever craft were used for the migration down the American coast during the last ice age.

The Polynesian connection is interesting in another way because it brings to mind Thor Heyerdahl's theories about Polynesia being populated by migration from the West, from British Columbia and Peru. The Kon Tiki expedition showed it was possible. So were the Chumash and the Polynesians working from a common earlier boat technology source? The linguistic evidence is intriguing.

40 posted on 06/20/2005 4:46:10 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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