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Are Downing Street memos authentic or elaborate hoax?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 19, 2005

Posted on 06/20/2005 1:25:27 AM PDT by auzerais

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To: goldstategop
There's no evidence any one lied or colluded in any wrong-doing. The moonbats appear to have led themselves out on a limb.

True. It is irrelevent whether the memo is real or a fake. I don't know why the idiots over there think it says anything particularly damning. It is an opinion of someone based on his observations. There are no facts in it at all.

Of course, if it is another TANG memo, it would be a little more delicious.

21 posted on 06/20/2005 4:08:29 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Of all the idiots I've known in my life, none of them were retarded (W. Earl Brown - "Warren," SAM))
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To: mewzilla

Even so, the tactic isn't likely to be effective in protecting the journalist or his sources.


22 posted on 06/20/2005 4:09:42 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: auzerais

bookmk ping and thanks


23 posted on 06/20/2005 4:10:30 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: ncountylee
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24 posted on 06/20/2005 4:11:38 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Of all the idiots I've known in my life, none of them were retarded (W. Earl Brown - "Warren," SAM))
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I don't think the journo ever really needed protection.


25 posted on 06/20/2005 4:12:39 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
I don't think the journo ever really needed protection.

Then you don't understand British Law. He could spend years in the slammer if someone has the courage to go after him.

26 posted on 06/20/2005 4:14:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: auzerais
If the ability to authenticate the memos or the integrity of the author(if there were "originals")or the chain of custody of the documents does`nt meet the basic level that is required to prosecute a criminal case in a court of law than they should not be given the time of day.

How much did Sen.Conyers little "it`s all Israels fault" make believe hearing cost the taxpayer.

27 posted on 06/20/2005 4:14:46 AM PDT by carlr (The dems slogan "even though we support our nations enemies,don`t question our patriotism")
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To: kcordell
Makes you wonder about the Durbin memo doesn't it?

It wasn't even a memo, it was an email.

28 posted on 06/20/2005 4:22:47 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: auzerais

Reporters, who never served in the military, and whose attitudes toward the services are colored by their pot-smoking college days have no sense of history.

The Pentagon, I am quite certain, has war plans against every nation on earth. It's not like we are about to start bombing Paris (although that might not be a bad idea), but imagine if some sort of seismic event occurred requiring action against France, and we didn't have plans for it. The same with the other 200 nations on earth.

With World War II looming the US had plans for war against Japan: Code Ornage. But, guess what, we also had plans for war against Great Britain: Code Red (and for dozens of other countries).

Having plans for war against Iraq was prudent and necessary. It is the reporter's lack of historical precedent and hatred for Bush that are driving this story.


29 posted on 06/20/2005 4:30:10 AM PDT by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator

Excellent points. What I do not understand though is what Michael Smith is trying to do - he supposedly has been in the military and is a long time defense correspondent. He has written a book on the breaking of the Japanese code in WWII. Is he simply looking for a payday? Or does he have T. E. Lawrence delusions? We clearly understood where Dan Rather was coming from. Where is Michael Smith coming from?


30 posted on 06/20/2005 4:57:16 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: auzerais

If my memory serves me somebody was passing off forged documents to prevent the US from dethroning old Saddam from the git go. Didn't the liberals the world over attempt to lay at the feet of the President using fake documents as premise for going to war????


31 posted on 06/20/2005 5:05:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: auzerais

If they were fake, they'd point more heavily toward "guilt" (Bush's guilt, of course). As they are, the memos reveal nothing.


32 posted on 06/20/2005 5:06:49 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: hellinahandcart

Well, well, well.


33 posted on 06/20/2005 5:07:50 AM PDT by sauropod (De gustibus non est disputandum)
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To: Dustbunny

It's getting air time because the Dems and their allies in the MSM need an "issue". My guess is that they regularly makeup stuff. The good news is that they have no credibility left.


34 posted on 06/20/2005 5:19:14 AM PDT by kjo
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To: auzerais

I'm sure the definitive answer will be found here on FR.


35 posted on 06/20/2005 5:25:00 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Lancey Howard
the memos are now a hoax until somebody comes up with evidence that they are NOT.
Hear, hear!

Worst problem we have is people's acceptance of journalism's fatuous claim of objectivit. Accept that, and you are conned into accepting a burden of proof which rightly belongs to them.

CBS's "independent investigation" concluding that the "TANG memos" could not be proved or disproved is really a "meaning of 'is'" defense. The story line should be that CBS published as true "memos" whose provenance it could not prove. And which are presumptively fraudulent.


36 posted on 06/20/2005 5:33:42 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: auzerais

Disturbing News.
The 2008 Democratic Nominee for president was
convicted for domestic violence, but got it hushed up.
Since I don't want to reveal my source, I had to
burn the original transcript of the confession,
however, I will eventually post my re-typed
copy of the confession.

Watch this space, for furthur developements.


37 posted on 06/20/2005 6:12:41 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: auzerais
"This, in fact, could very well be another case of 'fake but accurate.' where documents get created after the fact to support preconceived notions about what happened in the past," said the blog. "One fact certainly stands out -- Michael Smith cannot authenticate the copies. And absent that authentication, they lose their value as evidence of anything."

Amazing how liberals keep 'finding' these hyper-TOP SECRET!!!!!!! memos that are just left conveniently lying around. When Hitler ordered Heydritch to implement The Final Solution, he intentionally refused to produce any paperwork that would relate to the matter and bear his signature.

If any major public official had actually concocted the entire Iraq War on what they knew to be an absolute falsehood, I'm certain they would follow the same plan. There would be no paper trail.
38 posted on 06/20/2005 6:22:25 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it.-PJ O')
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To: auzerais

Hey everyone, try this on your liberal friends/co-workers:

Tell them that if they can produce a copy of the ORIGINAL DSM then you will believe them and that Bush should be impeached.

But if they can't, then they have to admit that the DSM is fake and that they have to admit they were wrong about Bush.

Give them a day or two, then spring it on them that the ORIGINAL COPIES WERE DESTROYED (if they don't know it already).

It's like shooting fish in a barrel!


39 posted on 06/20/2005 6:25:30 AM PDT by TheRobb7 ("Whatever enables us to go to war, secures our peace." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: billbears; ValenB4
Interesting, isn't? The pseudocons are foaming at the mouth over the prospect that these Downing Street Memos are fake, yet they ignore the fact that the Bush administration relied heavily on that bogus British dossier, forged "yellowcake" documents and dubious intelligence from Iraqi exiles.

In short, it doesn't matter if these memos are fake or not. Their authenticity has nothing to do with the fact that the case for war was based on lies.


40 posted on 06/20/2005 7:58:28 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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