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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Peach
There was clearly something wrong with Terri's neck as shown on the videos. That is my opinion after viewing them and also the opinion of others who watched them with me and noticed the same thing.

I gave no speculative argument as to how her neck sustained the injury.

I fail to see how that is "making things up."

241 posted on 06/20/2005 11:54:43 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: TAdams8591

Considering that doctors and nurses examined Terri and never mentioned these injuries, you will have to excuse me if your saying you saw some injury to her neck was evident is not clear and convincing evidence of anything.

I saw those videos too and didn't see anything like what you saw.

And you've been told by another freeper that her neck was likely stiff due to a medical condition, not abuse.


242 posted on 06/20/2005 11:56:21 AM PDT by Peach
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To: .38sw

See post #241.


243 posted on 06/20/2005 11:56:59 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
And it appears you expect only the freepers, whom you like, to respond to them.

Again with the faulty premise. There was nothing said about "like". There was nothing said about who can respond to whom.

244 posted on 06/20/2005 11:58:10 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TAdams8591

So how come the autopsy found no abuse? Vast left-wing conspiracy?

Or are you more capable of making a diagnosis from an edited video than medical personnel are by examining her either before or after her death?


245 posted on 06/20/2005 11:59:42 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball

I don't know. I'm reading this page of comments and have never seen such gobbley gook made up stuff in my life. It's either made up charges against doctors and MS or against individual freepers who are NOT doing what they are being charged with doing.


246 posted on 06/20/2005 12:01:02 PM PDT by Peach
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To: TAdams8591

I saw it. Did you also notice the contractures of her hands in the video? That's not due to any injury, but to the severe brain damage she suffered. The decerebration she suffered causes contractures and muscle stiffness, probably why it appeared in the videos that her neck was injured.


247 posted on 06/20/2005 12:03:10 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: Peach
I tend to agree.

It's appropriate though, since the article started with a lie:

Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine

Patently false, but some people don't let facts get in the way of their agenda.

248 posted on 06/20/2005 12:03:33 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: wagglebee
Considering that there were so many physicians and therapists who were willing to step forward to treat Terri Schiavo, from university based practitioners to those in private practice, it clearly shows that the mainstream medical community across the board, those involved in treating patients, knew that they could help Terri.

Operative word was "knew"; should have been "thought".

And "willing to step forward" should have been followed by "for the right price".

Leave the family and the lady alone. They deserve it. Stop trying to milk even more money from gullible watchers of and listeners to the MSM.

249 posted on 06/20/2005 12:03:47 PM PDT by LilDarlin (Being very feminine got me this far; it will get me the rest of the way, too!)
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To: Peach

There is a wrongful death suit perking up here. I would go fo 1 Billion dollers. It's winnable, because it was a government murder.


250 posted on 06/20/2005 12:04:35 PM PDT by BobS
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To: Earthdweller; Peach; .38sw
Seems logical if and when the guardianship is questioned before the courts by a third party, limited guardianship should be a tool that the judge could use if it is determined that the "spouse" may have reason not to make proper decisions for the dependent as was the case with Michael and his new family.

Which is precisely why Terri had various guardian ad litems over the past few years.

Peach and/or 38.sw may know, as I do not, whether the Schindlers ever formally petitioned to become Terri's legal guardians.

251 posted on 06/20/2005 12:06:00 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Peach
Just as a point of interest, are you aware that in the early 90's, the St. Petersburg Times interviewed the Schindlers and Michael several times. In all cases, the Schindler's spoke highly of MS and said they regarded him as a son.

Let's see her attack occurred in Feb of 1990 - he got the money from the lawsuit in 1992- sounds about right that he would have been a phony during that period of time, so much so that the Schindlers were completely taken in by him. Soon as he goot the money his true colors came through. You people amaze me no end when you defend this man.

252 posted on 06/20/2005 12:06:40 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Peach
Did you ever think that as soon as the pro-lifers nabbed the Schindler's that maybe the Euthanasia crowd got their claws into Michael?

The whole family looked like they got sucked into the big circus to me.

"Bad idea to tell MS that there was no hope (based on what the doctors said) and that he should get on with his life?"

Sure the doctors needed to tell him the truth about her recovery possibilities (which were slim IMHO). I meant it was a bad idea for the Schindler's to tell Micheal to get a new love interest..not too smart unless they assumed he would turn over her guardianship to them.

Sorry but they didn't look smart enough to think this stuff out to me.

253 posted on 06/20/2005 12:07:13 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: highball
Now, after the autopsy confirms the PVS

It did not. Dr Nelson was very careful in saying " PVS is a clinical diagnosis rather than a pathological one" and "nothing in the autopsy was "inconsistent" with a PVS diagnosis". In other words, you need a live brain for diagnosis, not a dead one. It starts on Pg 17.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/06/15/schiavoreport.pdf

254 posted on 06/20/2005 12:07:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: TAdams8591

LOL! I knew when I posted that comment that I probably shouldn't have. I was in a mood. I'm 49 years old but not an old fart yet.


255 posted on 06/20/2005 12:07:53 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: wagglebee

yep.


256 posted on 06/20/2005 12:09:34 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Peach
"And you've been told by another freeper that her neck was likely stiff due to a medical condition, not abuse."

"likely stiff" are the key words.

We really don't know for certain how or why her neck was injured, or appeared to be injured do we?

I've "been told by another freeper" and that makes it so? LOL!

I never said it was due to abuse, that was your reading into my post. I never drew a conclusion as to how her neck got that way as I don't know for certain. Stop putting words into my mouth.

People can and are entitled to draw their own private conclusions, whatever they may be.

257 posted on 06/20/2005 12:09:43 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: BobS

That's another reason why the autopsy had to support the decision of the courts.


258 posted on 06/20/2005 12:11:13 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off the cuff comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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To: EllaMinnow
"Which is precisely why Terri had various guardian ad litems over the past few years."

Exactly.

So then why was a spouse with limited guardianship allowed to carry the weight of the hearsay testimony? (Hearsay is allowed in Florida in these cases by the way)

259 posted on 06/20/2005 12:11:40 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: highball

Before we know it, he'll be claiming he actually WON that Nobel prize.


260 posted on 06/20/2005 12:15:00 PM PDT by Peach
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