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Schiavo autopsy does not alter church's pro-life stand, official says
Catholic News Service ^ | 06.17.05 | Nancy Frazier O'Brien

Posted on 06/18/2005 6:34:47 PM PDT by Coleus

Schiavo autopsy does not alter church's pro-life stand, official says

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The autopsy results on Terri Schindler Schiavo are irrelevant to the church's stand in support of her human dignity and against removal of her feeding tube in March, a Catholic pro-life official said June 16.

"Our position was not based on predictions about her likelihood of recovery," said Richard M. Doerflinger, deputy director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities, in a telephone interview from Chicago. "It was based on her dignity as a human person."

Schiavo, 41, died March 31, nearly two weeks after her nutrition and hydration tube was removed following a contentious seven-year battle between her husband and her parents. She had been in what doctors described as a persistent vegetative state since 1990, when her brain was deprived of oxygen after her heart stopped.

Dr. Jon R. Thogmartin, medical examiner for Pinellas and Pasco counties in Florida, said in a televised news conference June 15 that Schiavo's autopsy showed that the brain damage she suffered in 1990 was irreversible.

"No amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," he said.

Thogmartin said Schiavo died of "marked dehydration," not starvation, but that the underlying cause for her collapse 15 years ago could not be determined.

"The only diagnosis that I know for sure is that her brain went without oxygen," he added. "Why? That is undetermined."

Dr. Stephen Milton, a neuropathologist, also participated in the news conference and said, "There was nothing in the autopsy that is inconsistent with persistent vegetative state."

Doerflinger said some of the conclusions in the autopsy seemed "off base," such as the determination that there was no evidence that Schiavo had an eating disorder before her collapse and the assumption that the shriveling of her brain indicated massive brain damage.

When any person is deprived of water for two weeks, his or her brain is likely to shrink, he said.

Doerflinger also said there is "no established degree of brain damage" that cannot be reversed. "There are people walking around whose cerebral cortexes have been largely destroyed," he said.

Dr. Paul McHugh, professor of psychiatry and behavioral science at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics, also criticized the autopsy report, saying it was part of the "typical misleading about doctoring and medicine" that is becoming common.

"I'm not contending that she did or did not have PVS (persistent vegetative state)," he said in a June 17 phone interview. "Either way, that doesn't excuse killing her."

Writing in the June issue of Commentary, a monthly magazine published by the American Jewish Committee, McHugh recalled his early work "as both student and teacher in caring for patients like Terri Schiavo with neuro-psychiatric disorders." He remembered in particular a patient who had once been "the foremost clinical scientist in America" but who "gave little evidence of awareness" 13 years after a botched brain operation.

One day in front of a group of interns, however, the patient responded correctly and in a full sentence to a scientific question posed by McHugh.

"Somehow, deep inside that body and damaged brain, he was there -- and our job was to help him," McHugh wrote. "If we had ever had misgivings before, we would never again doubt the value of caring for people like him. And we didn't give a fig that his EEG was grossly abnormal."

Similarly, Terri Schiavo "was alive," McHugh said in the phone interview. "That's all I as a doctor care about."

He criticized the mind-set that says, "You're worthy if you're productive, and if you're not productive, you're not worthy of life."

"I'm not going to judge if a patient is worthy," he said. "I'm here to benefit the lives of patients."

The Schindler family -- Terri Schiavo's parents, brother and sister -- said in a statement released at the National Right to Life Committee convention in the Minneapolis suburb of Bloomington that the autopsy report confirmed what they already knew about "Terri's physical condition and disability."

"We all knew Terri was seriously brain-injured," the statement said. The report "also confirms that Terri was not terminal, that Terri had no living will, that Terri had a strong heart and that Terri was brutally dehydrated to death."

"The moral shame of what happened is not erased because of Terri's level of disability," the Schindlers added. "No one would say that 'blind people' or 'brain-injured' people should be put to death. That would be an irresponsible and heartless position to take. Tragically, that is what happened to Terri. As a society, it seems that we have lost our compassion for the disabled."

Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life, who visited Schiavo hours before her death, said in a statement that she "did not die from an atrophied brain."

"She died from an atrophy of compassion on the part of her estranged husband and those who helped him to have her deliberately killed," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; doerflinger; prolife; richardmdoerflinger; schiavoautopsy; terri; terrischiavo; terrisfight; usccb

1 posted on 06/18/2005 6:34:47 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Schiavo autopsy does not alter church's pro-life stand, official says

DUH!


2 posted on 06/18/2005 6:36:35 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog

DOUBLE DUH!


3 posted on 06/18/2005 6:37:32 PM PDT by Halls
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4 posted on 06/18/2005 6:40:10 PM PDT by Coleus (God doesn't like moderates, Rev 3:15-16)
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To: Coleus

I ditto your DOUBLE DUH!


5 posted on 06/18/2005 6:42:05 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Three guys walked into a bar. The fourth one ducked.)
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To: Coleus; Mrs. Don-o

ping.


6 posted on 06/18/2005 6:44:16 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Halls

DOUBLE DUH!
Beethoven--duh, duh, duh DUH, duh, duh, duh, DUH!!!!!


7 posted on 06/18/2005 6:47:07 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog

Why are you making a joke about the report?


8 posted on 06/18/2005 7:06:18 PM PDT by steampower
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To: Coleus
"The moral shame of what happened is not erased because of Terri's level of disability," the Schindlers added. "No one would say that 'blind people' or 'brain-injured' people should be put to death.

Sadly, this is not true. There is a bunch of folks who think excactly that, and worse.

9 posted on 06/18/2005 7:44:50 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: don-o

How right you are.


10 posted on 06/18/2005 7:51:23 PM PDT by steampower
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To: Coleus
Schiavo autopsy does not alter church's pro-life stand, official says

Why would it? The fact that this headline made it into print is . . . well . . . scary.

11 posted on 06/18/2005 8:29:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Coleus
"The moral shame of what happened is not erased because of Terri's level of disability,"

'Xactly.

12 posted on 06/18/2005 9:13:33 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Coleus
I understand why this had to be released. When the autopsy results came out and it revealed Terri was brain damaged the MSM tried to use it as justification for her murder.

The MSM actually thought the American people where so stupid that they didn't actually know her brain was damaged prior to this.

Now that deserved the real DUH.

The autopsy simply revealed what everyone already knew. Had it said she was brain dead then that might have changed everything but of course it did not.

13 posted on 06/18/2005 9:57:26 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Earthdweller

Dr. Jon R. Thogmartin, medical examiner for Pinellas and Pasco counties in Florida, said in a televised news conference June 15 that Schiavo's autopsy showed that the brain damage she suffered in 1990 was irreversible.

"No amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," he said. <<

Compares with:

>>Writing in today's (June 13) Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, researchers describe a cell culture method that holds the promise of producing a limitless supply of a person's own brain cells to potentially heal disorders such as Parkinson's disease or epilepsy. <<

http://www.physorg.com/news4548.html

But only if Terri lived long enough. She might have.

Isaac Asimov used to say if someone said something was impossible, give it five years to become reality. She should have been given those five years.

DK


14 posted on 06/18/2005 10:25:59 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Coleus
"The moral shame of what happened is not erased because of Terri's level of disability," the Schindlers added.

Terri's case, like most others, has several angles. Was the legal process faithful to the wishes of the ultimate participant? Even if it was, were those wishes in harmony with God's commandments? How does a degree of disability play into adherence with man-made law? with God's commandments? What about causing death by withholding water compared with e.g., causing death by withholding shelter resulting in freezing? by actively causing death like we do for pets?

I offer no proposed solutions here - only questions.

15 posted on 06/18/2005 10:43:03 PM PDT by Cboldt
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The autopsy doesn't change the legal aspect either. Schiavo was an unfit guardian by any reasonable measure, and the Schindler's should have been in charge even if she had nothing but a brain stem.

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16 posted on 06/20/2005 8:18:26 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (SPC Casey Sheehan died trying to save his buddies. His leftist mom says it "wasn't worth it.")
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