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Memos Show British Concern Over Iraq Plans (Downing Street Memo Story Leading Yahoo News)
Yahoo News & AP ^ | June 18, 2005 | Thomas Wagner

Posted on 06/18/2005 12:18:12 PM PDT by Brian Mosely

President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials worried the White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked secret Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about Washington's motives for ousting

Saddam Hussein.

In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director Peter Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and compelling military reason for war.

"U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is so far frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime change' does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."

The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was determined to go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.

"The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam Hussein's WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a typed copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated Press and written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.

"But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show much advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical or biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but have not, as far as we know, been stepped up."

Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one of the secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which critics say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.

The eight memos — all labeled "secret" or "confidential" — were first obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.

Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

The eight documents total 36 pages and range from 10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in Iraq, to brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a private meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.

Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College, University of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion investigations have found.

"The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already have, that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin intelligence and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity," Dodge said. "In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship between the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he was taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."

Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds once Saddam was defeated.

The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11 happened, the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.

Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout 2002.

On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and

North Korea "an axis of evil." U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war with Iraq was possible.

On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to the U.N. Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.

Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD claims about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending the conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in Iraq. Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.

Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the news in Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to power. In the United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.

It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign policy adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he had just had with Rice in Washington.

"We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's now British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's secretary of state.

"It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support and has registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not budge in your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a Parliament and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the States. And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we pursued regime change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result. Failure was not an option."

Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed." But he also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical difficulties and political risks.

Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on April 8, and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of perspective. But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your views on Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is still smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq policy."

A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July 23 meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of action outweigh the risks."

"In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the military action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq could lead to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made clear, the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."

The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to define more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be created, in particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's regime and the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a successor."

In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director Ricketts to Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be convincing that: the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our troops to die for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability (including Iran)."

Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an intelligence dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch chemical or biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.

On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a tough time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike against Iraq was legal under international law.

"If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S. would now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In addition, there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin Laden) and al-Qaida."

He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have also to answer the big question — what will this action achieve? There seems to be a larger hole in this than on anything."

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On the Net:

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/dowdoc/fcolegal020308.pdf

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/dowdoc/manning020314.pdf

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/dowdoc/meyer020318.pdf

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/dowdoc/ods020308.pdf

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/dowdoc/ricketts020322.pdf

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/dowdoc/straw020325.pdf

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1648758,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britishmemo; downingstreetmemo
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Looks like the Dems finally got what they wanted. I just checked my yahoo mail and this is their lead story.
1 posted on 06/18/2005 12:18:12 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Brian Mosely
"If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S. would now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote.

Casus belli you knucklehead.

2 posted on 06/18/2005 12:23:29 PM PDT by demlosers (Allegra: Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home.)
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Careful what you wish for...this will not help the Dems in a post 9-11 world. Our tolerance for a tyrant and know terrorist supporter who was believed to have wmds changed after 9-11. Wow, I'm completely shocked..shocked I say.


3 posted on 06/18/2005 12:24:35 PM PDT by bronxboy (Blessed to live in the USA)
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To: Brian Mosely
Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals. The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

So they did learn from Rather after all? All he needed to do was say he burned the originals and typed them himself! So that's the whole answer to the Rathergate memos. This all sounds like a bad rerun with them trying to see if something new will stick. Its like they say to themselves, "Maybe if we tell people we burned the originals and then retyped them, they'll believe it." Yeah sure.
4 posted on 06/18/2005 12:25:29 PM PDT by GopherGOPer
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"In the United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.

Two points. What is new about this? The claim that a firestorm has been ignited is patently false since it is the libs themselves who have been whining about the LACK of coverage which means their has been NO firestorm (except one they are trying to ignite). Unless I'm missing something these memos are the opinion of one man who claims he was at the meeting. Both the president and Blaire have denied the premise of what this man has said in his first memo and the second memo was totally discredited because there was no original but only a transcript of what was claimed to be from another memo.

5 posted on 06/18/2005 12:26:14 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Brian Mosely

AP SUX!


6 posted on 06/18/2005 12:30:43 PM PDT by zzen01
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Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals...

And there goes the credibility.

7 posted on 06/18/2005 12:32:12 PM PDT by demlosers (Allegra: Do not believe the garbage the media is feeding you back home.)
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Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, evidently.

Unless he typed them at Kinkos in Abilene, Texas - yeah, that'll fly.


8 posted on 06/18/2005 12:36:15 PM PDT by Texas Deb
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In a way, hilarious. All of these topics were laundered in the MSM before the war. "Rush to war?" OK, Blair got his gobacks to the UN later. Where's the Brit memos inquiring why their planes had been bombing Iraq for five years?

The remystification of the run-up to the war, hinged on the idea that our involvement in Iraq started in January 2001, is running apace. Where's the genius Karl Rove? Legacy! Save the legacy! LOL


9 posted on 06/18/2005 12:36:55 PM PDT by Shermy
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"Two points. What is new about this?"

Nothing. It's rewriting history with the "truthteller" some selected passages from memos a year before the war "started".


10 posted on 06/18/2005 12:41:18 PM PDT by Shermy
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Interesting that AP doesn't take the BUSH LIED, BUSH KNEW! tact that the dems want though. Unless I missed it.


11 posted on 06/18/2005 12:43:17 PM PDT by Pikamax
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It's a Dan Rather coming from the Brit's soo objective media.
As always things get based on unverified leaks.
The mantra goes: What do you have to defend yourself from these documents, these papers, then information, and finally: these accusations.
Defend yourself says this media, we judge.
Forgot: Conyers this truth seeking Democrat held hearings with himself as "Chairman." Trouble is he had anti Israeli propagnda distributed accusing Israel of participating in 9/11.
A witness, Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst testified that that this war is part of an alliance between Israel and the U.S. to dismantle that part of the world.
Howard Dean while visiting Texas had to set the record straight by stating that Democrats are totally immune from anti Israeli propaganda.
We need to hear now from Senator Durbin that he did not try to link Hitler plus his holocaust with the U.S. Army when accusing the U.S. Army and America as torturers.
Is Durbin immune from anti Israeli propaganda accusations, and why.
Is it because of coming from Chicago or belonging to the correct party?
12 posted on 06/18/2005 12:46:07 PM PDT by hermgem
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Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals.

No need to read further. This would be a career-ending offense in many fields.

13 posted on 06/18/2005 12:50:38 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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First of all, these idiots ignored the cease fire agreement in which Hussein signed and broke multiple times (Before Bush was elected)

Second, these idiots continue to ignore official US policy that started with Bubba in 1998 stating Hussein had to go.

Are these people bashing Pres. Bush for actually executing policy that was established before he even set foot in the Oval Office?

Someone needs to exterminate the current ignoramuses that make up the press, they sure as hell can't do their jobs properly.
14 posted on 06/18/2005 12:54:29 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals.

Fake but Accurate, LOL !!!!

15 posted on 06/18/2005 12:54:47 PM PDT by federal
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Same old crapola.

My dog's daily planning calendar is more newsworthy.

16 posted on 06/18/2005 12:55:10 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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The Dems are so dillusional, they actually think the American people are like them and regret that Saddam is out of power! LOL The Isamofascists' and Al Jazeera's outrage that Saddam was overthrown is only matched by the American Left's. Amazing.


17 posted on 06/18/2005 1:12:25 PM PDT by MNnice
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Through all this I just kept wondering to myself, why doesn't the media wing of the democratic party (MSM) jump all over this.

Now we all know why, they aren't even real documents. However; the AP does vouch for them.

ROTFLMAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


18 posted on 06/18/2005 1:21:17 PM PDT by federal
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This memo has already been debunked. Why do they keep beating a dead horse?


19 posted on 06/18/2005 1:33:04 PM PDT by calex59
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To: federal

"Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals."

I think this sentence is really big and just may have repercussions. The author of the Sunday Times article is known to be a rabid anti-Bush/anti-Blair journalist. I'd be willing to bet he did not retype the memos word for word and put his own slant on. Tell me, why would he just not take a black marker and mark out any names. Something is fishy here....


20 posted on 06/18/2005 1:33:39 PM PDT by ruschpa
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