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To: marylandrepub1
Well lets go! In Genesis there are two creation stories : J=Gen 2:4 to 2:23, P= Gen 1:1-2:3. In one, plants are created first, man last. In the other man is created first, woman last, after plants and animals. There are two flood stories, in J Noah takes seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean, but in P Noah takes one pair of each animal. J has Noah sending out three doves at the end, in P he sends out a raven. J=40 days and 40 nights, P has the flood lasting 370 days. This is all in the first book of Moses, Genesis. Why ?? Because J+P were written at different times by different people.

J+E were written in the early period, during the two split kingdoms Judah and Israel. P was written later as a alternative prior to the Babylonian exile. Both had an oral origin mixed with the current religious beliefs of the writer.

I find the history of the Israelies very interesting. But this is not a biological science. It can never be. And creationists do not talk about the origin of their creation stories while claiming it is an alternative so creation is a smokescreen.

I see no contradiction in the first two chapters in Genesis. I see the an elaboration, supplementary detail, given in chapter 2. Chapter one gives the order of creation, if we accept that the order is thus established, we know that Genesis 2:19 is not a a statement of order as was plainly laid in chapter one. There is an axiom in hermeneutics that states:

"An assertion of truth necessarily excludes that to which it is essentially opposed and no more."

The statement in Genesis 2:19 excludes any being other than God creating animal life and it excludes any other method, but as to time it only asserts that the formation of these creatures was before this incident.

To apply the documentary theory to this account is ridiculous, because what compiler would put two contradictory stories side by side and at the first of their work at that? This idea not only denies God but charges the ancient Hebrews with gross stupidity toward the level of total insanity.

The documentary theory has no evidence except in the fertile imagination of scholars who start off from the assumption that there is no God. I think these people could spend their time better if they honestly examined the Bible in it's totality instead of manufacturing speculations in their mind.

I see no contradiction in the Noah account either. The general instruction was pairs for all kinds, supplementer by the additional instruction that the number of clean beasts would be seven. The later verse(Genesis 7:9) merely said that the actual entering in was by pairs without reference nor denial of the differing number of pairs of clean beasts.

The rain lasted 40 days. The longer period of time was for the lowering of the water level.

I suppose you see it differently, but I don't see the hint of contradiction or multiple authorship here.

92 posted on 06/19/2005 4:52:22 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

"This idea not only denies God but charges the ancient Hebrews with gross stupidity toward the level of total insanity."

No it charges the ancient Hebrews with writing the Books of Moses with a completely different objective and viewpoint than you Creationists are using it for.

As far as it denying 'God', well once again you show Creationism as a childish got-ya game. You complain about evolutionary science because a few bones are missing(so lets throw it all away), but any discussion of your supposed alternative (Moses Books) Creationism written by the ancient Hebrews is invalid because it denies God.


99 posted on 06/19/2005 11:56:21 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (God does not insist that we be stupid)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

"The rain lasted 40 days. The longer period of time was for the lowering of the water level" (ref your post 92)

My reply :
Genesis 7:4,+12, +17 : "The flood was on the earth 40 days and 40 nights "
but Genesis 8:5 says :"and the waters continued receding until the 10th month , on the first of the 10th month the 'tops of the mountains' appeared."

This is literal reading. The Flood lasted both 40 days +40 nights 'and' 10 months(perhaps Noah took two Cruises, not one). Which do we teach in science? J or P? And why are you intentionally misinterpreting your source of 'all' knowledge ??

And was Moses on these cruises? He supposedly wrote all these versions of the same story.


106 posted on 06/19/2005 12:55:21 PM PDT by marylandrepub1 (God does not insist that we be stupid)
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