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Gunmen take over Ramadi [terrorize, behead locals]
Mail & Guardian Online (South Africa) ^ | 17 June 2005 | Unsigned

Posted on 06/16/2005 11:33:19 PM PDT by angkor

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Residents ... most dreaded a US-led offensive similar to that which flattened Fallujah. They said the rebels were Iraqi Sunnis, not foreign Islamist radicals.

All the more reason to flatten Ramadi.

As a soldier recently said: "Fallujah? What Fallujah? It's gone."

1 posted on 06/16/2005 11:33:21 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
those darn Insurgents.....
2 posted on 06/16/2005 11:35:07 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: angkor
Insurgents have taken over much of the Iraqi city of Ramadi and used it to launch attacks against United States forces while terrorising the population with public beheadings.

Wouldn't that make them terrorists?

3 posted on 06/16/2005 11:36:10 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: angkor
ring...ring...ring...
Senator Dick Durbin, It's the phone sir. It's your good friends from Ramadi. They are saying they followed your orders and are waiting for further instruction...
4 posted on 06/16/2005 11:40:30 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (Visit my web site and win ....... nothing! The government took it in taxes.)
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To: Echo Talon
Wouldn't that make them terrorists?

Why yes indeed, it would.

But you see, they're Iraqi Sunni terrorists and not Saudi and Syrian terrorists, therefore Ramadi citizens should not be pounded into the dust for being complicit with them.

See how it works? They're "freedom fighters."

(/sarcasm)

It's that sort of illogical and twisted thinking which demands that Ramadi be converted into a pile of gravel. Fine gravel.

5 posted on 06/16/2005 11:59:53 PM PDT by angkor
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The Sunni minority, privileged under Saddam, bitterly resents the US presence and the political ascendance of Shias and Kurds.

Shias and Kurds need some attitude. Why let these thugs push you around?
6 posted on 06/17/2005 12:01:08 AM PDT by carumba
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To: angkor

Fallujah wasn't flattened. It was heavily damaged but far from having been flattened.

I've been there several times since mid December.

It sounds like Ramadi needs some of the love that only the US military can give.


7 posted on 06/17/2005 12:12:29 AM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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Someone told me they bulldozed most of the damaged buildings and paid-off the legal owners.

I haven't been there, just circulating hearsay which you've credibly corrected.

Uh, I don't want to go there either.


9 posted on 06/17/2005 1:02:07 AM PDT by angkor
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To: valkyry

It is time for truth. Stop the PC crap, the traitor trash talk and visit the wrath of the Christian God on Ramadi, turn it into dust! It's time to take off the gloves, time to face reality...I and most Americans are ready for some major Dixie style a-kickin'!! No need to put off the inevitable, time to Get Some!


10 posted on 06/17/2005 1:11:12 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: angkor

"Most" buildings is a bit of an overstatement.
Don't mistake what I'm saying, there was a LOT of damage. It tended to be a case of a building either being completely destroyed or lightly damaged. I didn't see much that wasn't either way.
There was no mistaking that a battle had been fought there.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs.
"Most" would be a majority and a majority (more than half) were heavily damaged. Almost all were damaged to some degree, from broken windows and doors to holes in the walls. From what I saw only about 1/3 were destroyed and the rest were repairable. They make them out of brick and concrete so holes in the walls aren't a huge deal to repair.

In late January there was a LOT of bulldozing going on. Part of why Fallujah is *relatively* calm is that so many people have work rebuilding and are being paid for it.


11 posted on 06/17/2005 1:18:26 AM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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Part of why Fallujah is *relatively* calm is that so many people have work rebuilding

Sorry, that's not gonna' convince me to go there either :)

12 posted on 06/17/2005 2:22:44 AM PDT by angkor
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A man described as an Egyptian spy was beheaded and his body dumped on a busy shopping street. Warned by the killers to leave it for five days, shoppers pretended not to notice the figure in the brown robe, its head resting on its back.
Four days ago two suspected Shia militiamen were beheaded in the marketplace in full view of traders, said a senior police officer who asked not to be identified. Two boys played football with one of the heads, he added.

Our own leftists want us to pull out of Iraq – and have this type of thing happen all over the country. In Viet Nam people dies by the thousands (tens of thousands?) when Nixon gave in to the procommunist in our news media and universities. Now they want it to happen in Iraq too.
13 posted on 06/17/2005 2:37:30 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: angkor
Sorry, that's not gonna' convince me to go there either :)

It's not too bad!
Series though, I fly everywhere I need to go.  Occasionally I convoy but it's a hugh risk.

14 posted on 06/17/2005 2:44:38 AM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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In Viet Nam people dies by the thousands (tens of thousands?) when Nixon gave in to the procommunist in our news media and universities.

I just looked up the numbers – I had drastically underestimated the deaths.
“This amounts to 346,000 to 2,438,000 Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians, probably about 1,040,000.”
15 posted on 06/17/2005 2:51:12 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun

No way will I get on a convoy. Not happening.

We had some sustained incoming yesterday, a few hundred yards from where I was standing.

That's quite enough excitement for me.


16 posted on 06/17/2005 3:51:06 AM PDT by angkor
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In Viet Nam people dies by the thousands (tens of thousands?) when Nixon gave in to the procommunist in our news media and universities.

Yes, and two of my wife's six Vietnamese relatives who went for "reeducation" are permanently crippled as a result. The guys who believed in freedom and liberty are forced to drive cyclos and moto taxis for a living (their fluent English helps with the tourist trade).

Every Cambodian I ever knew without exception lost at least one relative (and sometimes 5 or even 10 or more) to the Maoist KR.

Yeah, that's what the lefties want for Iraq, for the Middle East, and ultimately for America.

17 posted on 06/17/2005 3:56:57 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

I'm sorry, but I do not trust any of the Guardian newspapers. They are bitterly partisan leftist and anti-American. Take this story with a very big grain of salt.


18 posted on 06/17/2005 4:15:27 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: angkor

But they are so full of love and compassion! < /massive sarcasm>


19 posted on 06/17/2005 4:22:38 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: angkor
Strap a bomb to all the Gitmo 'detainees', ship them to center of Ramadi and blow them up.

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.

20 posted on 06/17/2005 4:28:33 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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