Posted on 06/16/2005 4:56:23 PM PDT by Jane_N
San Francisco, Jun. 15, 2005 (CNA) - A ruling this week by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld an earlier decision that Holocaust survivors can continue their claims against the Vatican for the restitution of funds plundered from former Yugoslavia during the Second World War.
The majority of the victims of genocide in Croatia during World War II were Orthodox Christian Serbs. More than 500,000 of them were liquidated by the Croatian Ustasha, with the backing of some Catholic clerics. These funds have been referred to as the Ustasha or Croatian treasury.
According to a report by Matt Abbott, the San Francisco court denied a Vatican petition for reconsideration and a request for an extraordinary en banc hearing. It also issued an amended opinion which indicated the Italian Peace Treaty of 1947 did not preclude the lawsuit because the Vatican was not a signatory to the treaty.
Okay, so what is your version?
You find the truth funny?
diocletian, you need to do some soul searching about your positions on the Yugoslavian holocaust and the Jasenovic concentration camps, the forced conversions, the mass murder of babies and children and murders of adult non-Croatians.... YOU ARE IN SERIOUS DENIAL.
Our prayers are with you. You need help.
We all know that nazis killed many clergy of all types in WWII... including many, many nuns and RC priests as well as those of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Wonder why in Croatia there were any, so-called, RC clergy involved with nazis??? Surely, the Croatians knew that the nazis were the enemy of ALL REAL CHRISTIANS.
I think the nazis were able to find weak links in almost every group by appealing to that groups highest level of hate toward those they found different than themselves.
In the Yugoslavian case, this appears to be just what the nazis were able to achieve. Use racial and religious troubles or differences to get co-operation from certain Croatians.
In the end, the nazis LOST and all Yugoslavia became commie. Another group of Christian haters took over.
Lose, lose situation for all Christians, EOC and RCC. And, for the Jews and Gypsies as well.
What a shame.
Between 1941 and 1945 more then 20000 children (most of them Serbian children) were murdered in so-called Independent State of Croatia.
http://www.jasenovac.info/cd/
“John 16:1
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.”
He is (probably) beyond help, but one can always hope!
And, I hate to correct you but it is Jasenovac not Jasenovic.
http://www.jasenovac.info/cd/index_en.html
Jasen is ash tree.
Sorry, not Slavic myself.... just interested in WWII and the holocaust because I was a young fellow, a teen at the time and over the years have known so many survivors. No Yugoslavians ones though.
Maybe that was because Tito covered so much about it up, to keep peace and control over all sides. And so few Serbians came to America after the war. At least, that is my impression of it.
Thanks for the post, by the way.
Gipper gal, please check out the link on zagor-te-nej's post. English version link button is at the bottom of the page. There is much information on that site. Good night, gal.
I never denied that people were killed at Jasenovac.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
However, there is a lot of incorrect accusations on this thread that needed to be corrected.
That is an incorrect figure.
Quoting DTA
"Croatia was the sole NAzi country with a concentration camp FOR CHILDREN, run by RC nuns
Then, you wrote in your own words:
"Another falsehood."
161 posted on 06/17/2005 5:07:02 PM EDT by Diocletian
You stated it was a falshood that any nuns were involved in that concentration camp for children. You still have NOT accepted those pictures of the so- called nuns as proof... you ARE in denial.
Just face it... wrong was done and NOW, justice needs to be served. Those dead babies and children were real!! SOMEBODY needs to PAY whether it is money or just having the TRUTH told at long last!!
Time has not healed these wounds because SOME people refuse to accept that this nazi evil happened in Croatia and some so-called RC clergy were involved.
IT IS GET REAL TIME!!
If it was 2 or 2 thousand... SO WHAT?
There are THOUSANDS of dead babies and children and you squibble over numbers.
Is there any hope for you on this planet????
A picture proves nothing.
Please source your accusations or drop them.
Didn't you suggest that these were all killed at Jasenovac?
“23.858 Serbian boys and girls, between cradle and 14 years old -- killed by Croats and Muslim. “
According to Dragoje Lukic from Kozara they were sent to Croat death camps, and Croats had more then one death camp for Serbs.
This is testimony of Mr. Gojko Knezevic. He is one of few people who managed to survive Jasenovac,
“I still dream of torture and cries”
http://www.nezavisne.com/revija/tekst2-050418.php
Link is in Serbian language, but you can read it – you call that language Croatian.
He and his family were sent to Jasenovac. He was watching how his mother was killed trying to save his sister. What happened, when they arrived in Jasenovac, one of the ustasa tried to take his little sister (born in April 1942) from her mother. She was strong and she defended her child. Then, dozen of those animals attacked poor women, snatched baby and throw her in the air -- and caught her body on the bayonet. His mother, Jovanka, was also killed - they amputate her breast.
Afterwards, Gojko was sent to Jasterebarsko concentration camp run by roman-catholic nuns. There were no doctors in the camp, food was terrible and they were tortured daily. Nuns had specialty - biting children with thin stick previously immersed in salt water or vinegar. This way wounds will heal slowly.
There he, and other children were converted. Every morning, nuns would take them to church service and if some of the children did not know to cross in roman-catholic way they would bit them. His estimate is that some 80% of the children were killed there.
11 years old (at that time) Drago Sormaz, was also sent to Jasenovac. Children in the camp were so hungry that they ate grass.
As I said:
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.”
Also, were all killed children killed by the Ustashe?
Lastly, this topic is a bit off-topic since it deals with the supposed role of the Church during this time.
What German Nazis and Italian fascists) had to say about ustasa animals:
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/u-allies.html
Children murdered in the Independent State of Croatia 1941-1945
http://www.jasenovac.info/cd/zrtve/deca-zrtve/index_en.html
Jasenovac Industry of Death: Recommended links and resources
http://www.jasenovac.info/cd/veze/index_en.html
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