Excerpts From Pilots' Recording [before crash]- Just Damn!

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[Capt. Canuck]

Excerpts from conversations between Pinnacle Airlines Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz just before they died in the crash of a Bombardier regional jet on Oct. 14, 2004. Investigators say the crash occurred after the pilots took the plane to 41,000 feet, an altitude where engine problems can develop.

9:48:44 p.m.

Cesarz: "Man we can do it. Forty-one it."

9:48:46

Rhodes: "(Unintelligible) baby."

9:48:57

Cesarz: "Hundred and eighty knots, still cruising at Mach point six four."

9:51:51

Cesarz: "There's four-one-oh, my man."

9:51:53

Cesarz: "Made it, man."

9:54:19

Rhodes: "Yeah, that's funny, we got up here, it won't stay up here."

9:54:22

Cesarz: "Dude, it's (expletive) losing it." (Sound of laughing)

10:14:36

Cesarz: "We're not gonna make it, man, we're not gonna make it."

10:14:38

Rhodes: "Is there a road? Tell her we're not gonna make this runway."

10:14:46

Rhodes: "Let's keep the gear up. (Expletive) I don't want to go into houses here."

10:14:51

Cesarz: (Expletive) "road right there."

10:14:52

Rhodes: "Where?"

10:14:52

Cesarz: "Turn, turn..."

10:14:53

Rhodes: "Turn where?"

10:14:53

Cesarz: "Turn to your left, turn to your left."

10:14:56

Rhodes: Either: "I see it" or "I can't."

10:14:58

Warning signal in cockpit: "Too low, terrain, terrain."

10:14:59

Rhodes: "Can't make it."

10:15:03

Rhodes: "Aw (expletive). We're gonna hit houses, dude."

Source: National Transportation Safety Board

[investigateworld]

"... identify and recovery from whatever flavor of spin you happen to find yourself..."
Nose down, prayers up works for me.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

I'll make one more run at this before I'll assume it's your intention to miss the point. They were actually locked in by the TSA when they instituted the secure cockpit rules. However, I recognize your point that no one forced them to be there, which is completely true and correct. You're also absolutely correct that at that level of aviation career there are literally tens if not hundreds of pilots vying for each job who would love to replace them.

Thanks, Dad, but you're the one who's still missing the point.

The point is that they weren't locked in by the TSA or anyone else. Being locked in is being held prisoner.

They were working in a locked room. It's no different than the guys working in the memory & cpu cages at the local Fry's.

If they or anyone else doesn't like working in a locked room, they can quit their jobs and go fly (or Fry's) somewhere else. The distinction is a subtle one, but it does exist. So, let's lay off this 'locked in' hyperbole.

As for the rest of your pontification about their capabilities or motives, I prefer to withhold judgement over their actions until the investigation is complete.

[GraceCoolidge]

The Challenger recording is an urban legend.

No kidding... I thought it was real and didn't check, primarily b/c it pre-dates the Internet. When my kids grow up, I will regale them with stories of the "old days" when we had to rely on word of mouth for our urban legends... none of this sissy Internet stuff, you kids today have it so easy.

[LIConFem]

"...you might deliver something less than Ciceran oratory at some point too."

A friend once brought a camcorder along on a trip we made from FRG to Batavia, OH. He recorded about 30 minutes of me in the cockpit, about three hours into the flight. We watched the tape about a week later. Talk about embarrassing!

[Qwinn]

"No more than we'd nominate you for one if your brakes failed after you "recklessly" took your car all the way to the speed limit."

Sorry, but I'm having a little trouble buying your spin here.

From the transcript:

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"Man, we can do it, 41-it," said Cesarz at 9:48 p.m. A minute later, Rhodes said, "40 thousand, baby."

"Two minutes later, "There's 41-0, my man," Cesarz said. "Made it, man."

"At 9:52 p.m., one of the pilots popped a can of Pepsi and they joked about drinking beer. A minute later, Cesarz said, "This is the greatest thing, no way."

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According to your analogy, then, we can expect the exact same kind of attitude in drivers approaching the speed limit.

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"Man, we can do it, 55-it," said Cesarz at 9:48 p.m. A minute later, Rhodes said, "50 miles per hour, baby."

"Two minutes later, "There's 55 mph, my man," Cesarz said. "Made it, man."

"At 9:52 p.m., one of the pilots popped a can of Pepsi and they joked about drinking beer. A minute later, Cesarz said, "This is the greatest thing, no way."

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Just doesn't work, does it?

Qwinn

[roxy0101]

This is for all of you who choose to make fun of the DEATH of 2 human beings. I'm sure Alison appreciates your sentiments on her husband’s death just shy of the birth of their child. I'm sure peters family appreciates it as well. You can talk about who did what and what caused what but it comes back to the fact that 2 PEOPLE are dead. Two families are devastated. People make mistakes, huge ones even. We are human. Jessie and Peter did his best to make sure no one else on the ground was hurt and they accomplished that. I know plenty of pilots and many of them joke, push limits, die. It is not fun it is not funny. Jessie was a wonderful human being, a loving husband, father, son and friend. To those of you who like to talk your little insults, grow up. You should have a little respect when there is a horrible, devastating death. Would you want your life to be considered a joke? Beavis & Butthead, Darwin Awards, get a freakin life. To Jessie, his family, his friends, you were, are and always will be loved. To the rest of you who make a mockery or enjoy your idiotic comments, you won't live forever. Do you want your family and friends to read horrid things about you? Any of you? Fight all you want about the logistics of the crash, it was a crash. It was avoidable, it was a mistake, but many of you like to have "fun" when you repo, I know, I here it all the time. So lay your blame, crack your jokes, keep thinking you are so funny and smart and while you are at it, go to hell.
Jessie and Peter may you rest in Peace.
Alison, Cassidy, Emma and Aiden, God watch you, keep you and Bless you.

[Dead Dog]

FARs of FCC regs? What exactly about an aircrafts service ceiling is so dangerous.

If you ask me, there is a AC certification problem.

[Dead Dog]

Davis Stempler is a moron who should shut his ignorant, disrespectful freakin' pie hole.

[Dead Dog]

What they did on this flight was a series of intentional violations of basic airmanship and flight regulations. There is no excuse, ever, for doing that. That doesn't make this any less a tragedy. But it helps explain why it happened.

Uh, well, I hold a Commercial SEL and CFII. Which makes me squat on this forum. However, I do know there is no violation of FARs, or deviation from anything in AIM (I guess that is what your are calling basic airmanship???).

Sorry, but from what we know, the service ceiling was FL41. They were legal, and the airframe probably shouldn't be. The fact that neither could wax poetic like a Shakespearian sonnet about their pending death is irrelevant armchair airmanship.

[Dead Dog]

I does if they were driving a Yugo, and in that case, the analogy does work. The question is, why can't an airplane certified with a service ceiling of FL41K not maintain that altitude (for whatever reason) when far below gross weight???

It aint the pilots this time.

[mysterio]

I bet if you were assigned to a work project where you were locked into a small room with little to do except talk to your lone coworker locked in with you for hours on end, and tape-recorded constantly, you might deliver something less than Ciceran oratory at some point too.

Wonderfully put.

[mysterio]

The transcipt on the site that you provided the link to doesn't contain any of the stuff in the yahoo article. Which one is correct?

[Rokke]

You didn't read the information from the NTSB link I gave to Turbopilot. After you've read the report, drop me another note if you still think no FARS were violated. Flying at FL410 was only one link in a long chain.

[MilspecRob]

I don't know if I could listen to one. I remember too there was some kind of recording from the Challenger disaster. If I recall correctly, one of the astronauts said to another (one of the last things said), "Take my hand." I think one of the speakers might have been Judith Resnick? I don't recall all of it. Haunting is the right word for it.

I read the Challenger transcript rather carefully and I don't recall the "Take my Hand" part, I my recollection is clear the only warning before the tape go's dead is Commander Scobee "Oh O" Still very haunting I agree

[anton]

The Yahoo article is a different deal. I cited the transcript for the fact that the pilots did, in fact, get clearance for 41000 feet from flight control. See Table 1, second page.