Posted on 06/15/2005 3:35:00 PM PDT by AgThorn
These terrorists in Gitmo aren't "our own". They're folks who in any other war in the history of mankind would be summarily executed on the battlefield. It is only because we are a singularly humane people that they are alive at all. For God's sakes, the "detainees" eat better than do most Americans! (And their religious beliefs are respected, too, for that matter.)
It only bespeaks your ignorance of the true horrors of Hitler, Stalin, or Saddam that you can compare the luxury treatment of war criminals equal to summary executions and unanethestized surgical removal of eyeballs. If these terrorists were staying at the Four Seasons, all expenses paid, they could hardly have less to complain about.
It is frightening and sickening to realize that what you say is so true!
I thought I heard, none from Iraq and some from other than Afghanistan....
Better yet....make them watch the live C span of the Senate!!!!
Well put!!!!! I agree completely.
You could be right. The facts on this are not publicly available. Maybe they're all from Pakistan.
Hey, I'm not shocked by such a response. I nearly went out of mind last night at my condo association meeting. Just because Arriana has money and some TV notoreity she is just as stupid as the people last night at our condo association meeting.
What is amazing to me is...our country continues to function. Sometimes I just look at the traffic around me on the roads and wonder," How could this be happening when there are so many idiots?"ha.
Not nearly the embarrasment you are to this nation Leaky.
no info, kill them, they are the same as spies, killers without a uniform.
Drag them behind a boat over the nearest reef till the sharks show up and cut them loose, play the national anthem and wave goodbye.
I listened to the testimony. We only start the prosecution process when INTEL says they are through with them. More than 250 prisoners have been released from Gitmo using screening panels. Some have been sent back to their home countries for prosecution. There are over 40 countries represented in the prison population.
What's the rush? We held German prisoners for longer periods. The Nuremberg Trials lasted until 1949.
Agreed, but the correct method to acquire said power is through honest, truthful debate. Lying and exaggerations about abuse of terrorists accomplishes little.
One should state their honest case and then the voters elect the person they agree most with (11/04) and we move on. This latest tirade by the democrats is nothing but an abuse of their elected positions. This will come back hauntingly in 2006 IMO. Remember Daschle?
I am not sure this was a good answer by Wiggins. His answer should have been that once the US criminal courts take their hands off this situation, military tribunals will start. some need to be executed to be sure, and once we demonstrate that we will execute some of the worst ones - you'll see others start to talk.
Its just like with the "deck of cards" people we captured in iraq. if we had tried and executed chemical ali quickly, we might have gotten more cooperation from the others.
so long as these prisoners have a hope that the ACLU, Amnesty, the Democratic party and the US media are still trying to get them out of Gitmo, they will never give up any information.
"Some Senators hate the Administration more than they hate terrorists."
It's not the administration, its America.
They want to see this nation destroyed by another terrorist attack.
Unfortunately, these individuals are so stupid that when the next event occurs, people will remember what they did to hinder the WOT....and America will respond to The Enemy Within accordingly.
Whatever. Just never let these sick crazed animals loose.
No, I don't think of them as criminals. I am quite aware that they are terrorists. However, I am not comfortable with keeping people imprisoned without appeal for an indeterminate period of time. For example, even if they are a threat and a source of information, both are limited. Their usefulness as a source of current information lasts, at best, only a few years. What justification do you then have to hold them indefinitely. Suppose they really weren't a member of the terrorist cell as you originally thought? Do you suppose that the military is going to be eager to admit such a mistake? They don't ever have to if there is no avenue for periodic review. If, after the terrorist's value as an information source becomes non-existent, you still consider him a threat, fine, then keep him locked up or execute him. But again, he should have the right for periodic review. Situations change. Someone who is a threat now, may not be in 25 years. I'm not arguing for leniency, but no one is infallible. And you also might want to look at exactly what qualifies as a terrorist in some of the statutes passed and considered. In the same way that RICO statutes have been expanded beyond any of their original intent, the definition of who qualifies as a terrorist is sadly not nearly well defined enough.
Sounds like a plan to me.
Executing a few would be even better.
I am not talking at all about the abuse allegations. To me, they don't even approach abuse, and were it left up to me, much uglier methods of information extraction would be used. For example, perhaps forcing them to listen to Air America 24/7! The Administration needs to get better at explaining the difference between a POW with rights under the Geneva Convention and a terrorist. They also need to explain, since learning Civics in a public school is a joke, that the guarentees of rights in the Constitution apply only to American citizens. This is a serious failing of this and of many Republican administrations. They rely too heavily on talking points and just recite them over and over. The rationale for these policies don't require a lot of background information to understand.
My only caveat with all of this is the perpetuity angle. I have no problem with a life sentence without possibility of parole. But, for that level of containment I do think there need to be checks and balances other than some bureaucrat or random military or homeland security official assuring us he's a threat. Some level of proof needs to be given to justify holding someone, even a terrorist without the guarentees due an American citizen, for an indefinite period of time. Again, I'm not arguing for leniency, but there does need to be some check in place.
My Senator made me proud today.
What has happened to our country? These gutless democrats and many RINOs have no business being in public office because they haven't the stomach for it. It's to the point that our country must be taken back to ensure our survival. This is no longer an idealogical little game of Republicans vs Democrats and worrying about taxes and crap. I'm now worrying about my children's ability to survive when terrorists get and deploy nukes. And here we have Senators worried about what the French think of these captured terrorists from a battle of war following 9/11.
These traitors to our country must be politically defeated by any legal means necessary. The ends justify the means.
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