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To: Jeff Head
The PRC have just discarded the failed Maoist and Marxist economic model in favor of a more fascist economic system

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But, make no mistake, ideologically and politically they are every bit as much communists as they ever were.

I still see no evidence that the CCP and its rhetoric are anything other than tools of state control. Apart from the mere fact of the existence of the Party, and its boilerplate rhetoric, what leads you to conclude that the PRC government is still ideologically committed to communism?

33 posted on 06/15/2005 8:40:59 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Their history and tyranical control of their own population and information. They are not free, they call themselves communists, and they operate as such.

They have modified their economic model, and done it very well, in order to survive in today's global economy...and they are taking abject advantage of it IMHO.

If it smells like a rat, walks like a rat, talks like a rat, and in fact itself claims to be a rat...odds are pretty good that it is a rat.

36 posted on 06/15/2005 8:44:21 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

A guy I know explained it to me thusly:

If a guy in a Shanghai office gets two phone calls at the same time, and they are:

1. The Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing;

and

2. The Shanghai guy's investment banker in New York...

One guy is going to end up on hold listening to Chinese elevator muzak.

In 1978, it would've been the banker.

In 2005, it's the Chairman.


38 posted on 06/15/2005 8:45:55 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative; Jeff Head
The CCP are still strongly committed to the Marxist world view. China is the wronged and exploited victim that is entitled to its proper position in the world.

Pure victocrat Marxism.

That's is but one example. They are Natonalist Socialist.

And yes, they are a kleptrocracy but that is not inconsistent with being Marxist and in fact is a hallmark of it.

55 posted on 06/15/2005 10:14:57 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Deng Xioping's straightening out the Party faithful with the following metaphor of economic camouflage...(blood-curdling if properly understood): "It doesn't matter whether you call the cat black or white, so long as it catches mice."

And the concrete proof that their communist system is essentially intact is the fact that they maintain the vast bulk of their state-owned enterprises, that the so-called private sector partners all of our firms have to pair up with are thinly-veiled agents of the PLA, and that the huge bulk of the Chinese population is still exactly as it was before the "economic reforms." Some specific tip-offs: Wages are constrained (why if they want betterment for all their people, why do they oppose a true middle class that isn't their agents and princelings?), the population widely and increasingly oppressed in totalitarian fashion, and unpermitted mobility illegal.

And a totalitarian society necessarily becomes aggressive and inimical to its neighbors...and in this case...against the U.S. which is acting as World Cop. Although its enmity is far deeper than that, as described by those who observe it on a daily basis...those explicitly in the cross-hairs of their expansionism in Taiwan:

See this article from the Taipei Times:

Don't appease Chinese expansionism
By Li Thian-hok 李天福
Wednesday, Sep 18, 2002,Page 8

There are several million Chinese-Americans residing in the US and half a million Taiwanese-Americans. The number of Chinese-Americans is growing rapidly because many Chinese graduate students manage to remain in the US after their studies and because of the smuggling of workers from China.

Although a minority of Chinese-Americans, typically of Cantonese descent whose forebears emigrated to the US in the 19th century, still support the ROC, a growing number of Chinese-Americans support the PRC, particularly in regards to its claim of sovereignty over Taiwan. Prominent Chinese-Americans sometimes write opinion pieces in the US papers to support Beijing's positions.

A common refrain is that the US should promote peaceful unification of Taiwan with China, without selling out the interests of the people of Taiwan. This is an oxymoron and an impossible task. Over 85 percent of the 23 million Taiwanese are against unification. They prefer the status quo of a de facto independent nation.

After decades of struggle against the KMT's rule, the people of Taiwan have built a thriving free market economy and a democracy which respects human rights. China is a repressive authoritarian state governed by the monolithic Chinese Communist Party (CCP). For the US to pressure Taiwan to forfeit its hard-won freedom and accept the CCP's harsh rule would violate a cardinal goal of US foreign policy -- to promote the universal values of democracy. Such perfidy would ruin US credibility, scuttle the US-Japan security alliance, and create dangerous instability in East Asia.

Another misinformed claim is that Taiwan has historically been an integral part of China's sacred territory which should never be allowed to split from China. To claim Taiwan is an indivisible part of China is to merely parrot Beijing's propaganda.

In the past 400 years, Taiwan was ruled by the Dutch, the Koxinga Kingdom, the Qing Dynasty, Japan and Chiang Kai-shek's KMT, but never by the PRC. As a result of its defeat in the Sino-Japanese War, the Qing Dynasty ceded Taiwan to Japan in 1895, in perpetuity.

Since 1895, Taiwan has been ruled by a central government in China for only four years, from 1945 to 1949. In 1945, Chiang's troops occupied Taiwan on behalf of the allied powers but the ROC never took title to Taiwan. In the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, Japan merely gave up its sovereignty over Taiwan, without specifying any beneficiary. Taiwan's history may be characterized as an incessant struggle for liberty against alien rulers. Taiwan has been separated from China for long periods of time.

The reality is that Taiwan is a sovereign state, separate from China. To quote President Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁), "only the people of Taiwan have the right to decide the future, fate and status of Taiwan."

The Taiwan Relations Act, the basic law which governs US-Taiwan relations, says the objective of the US is to preserve and expand the human rights of the people of Taiwan.

The right to self-determination is a basic human right enshrined in the UN Charter and in the 1966 International Covenant on Human Rights, to which both the US and China are signatories.

Chinese-Americans are fully aware of the Beijing's govern-ment's violation of human rights. These include the killing of hun-dreds of Falun Gong practitioners through torture, imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of dissidents in labor reform camps, mistreatment of Tibetans, system-atic harvesting of human organs from executed prisoners for profit and the slaughter of thousands of students at Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Yet there are entirely too many unconscionable Chinese-Americans who would be happy to have such a government imposed on the Taiwanese from the safe perch of their far away life in the US.

Still another theme is that the US should not treat China as an enemy lest it becomes one. But the US has always been friendly and polite to China. It is China which is baring its fangs. China's mass media is tightly controlled by the security agencies. Yet there is widespread, virulent anti-American rhetoric.

On Sept. 11 last year a group of Chinese reporters visiting the US were overwhelmed with glee over the terrorist attacks on the US. They were promptly sent back to China by their irate hosts. China has helped Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in building a better air defense to shoot down US jet fighters. China's proliferation of weapons of mass destruction to rogue states in the "axis of evil" is well documented. China is actively developing the capability to launch a blitzkrieg against Taiwan. China is expanding the number of ICBMs targeted at the US homeland and testing new ICBMs with multiple nuclear warheads.

Should the US blithely help China build its economy and its military power, hoping China will become a peace-loving nation? That would be a foolhardy policy. After 150 years of humiliation by Western powers, China has a deep sense of aggrieved nationalism, compulsively driving it to first become the hegemon of Asia and then to challenge the US for its "rightful" place as the Middle Kingdom, to become the undisputed superpower under the heavens. It is in the interest of the US to resolutely discourage such ambitions and to steer China toward the path of democracy and peaceful economic development. To earn the respect so badly coveted by the Chinese, China needs to learn to respect human rights and join the ranks of civilized nations. Chauvinism and military aggrandizement will only lead the Chinese people to calamity.

Chinese-Americans should be careful, lest in unthinkingly supporting Beijing's belligerent expansionism, they end up grievously harming the national interests of the US, Taiwan and yes, China.

Li Thian-hok is a freelance writer based in Pennsylvania. This story has been viewed 1400 times. Advertising

Copyright © 1999-2005 The Taipei Times. All rights reserved.

84 posted on 06/21/2005 8:26:06 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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