I can go along with that description.
Keep the second half of that phrase in mind when you question their imperialist designs.
Posted on 06/15/2005 7:29:55 AM PDT by Wiz
SYDNEY (AFP) - China is using a vast network of spies in an attempt to turn Australia into a "political colony," a defector said, as it was revealed Beijing officials had been allowed to interrogate Chinese held in Australian detention centres.
Former Beijing University professor Yuan Hongbing, the fourth Chinese defector to surface in Australia in the past month, supported charges by a rebel Chinese diplomat that Beijing had an extensive network of agents in the country.
The agents are targeting Chinese dissidents and are also being used to influence political thought "to turn Australia into a political colony of China," Yuan told ABC radio.
"Political colony means the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) will use their ideology to influence Australia's politics and gradually to turn Australia to betray its fundamental principles of freedom and democracy," Yuan said through an interpretde.
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IMO, a Chicom invasion alert is more applicable to Cambodia,Laos, Thailand than Australia
The PLA is a land-based military power and if ever they need to conquer, it would be a zillion times more easy for them to attack across the boundaries into their neigbouring countries, than Australia, a 1000 miles of ocean to swim across
Richard Gere has a gerbil that disagrees with you.
If it happens tomorrow, you are right. However, don't count it out after a few decades of "uninterrupted" growth. Of course, I even doubt that there would be "uninterrupted" growth. With that and more Chinese on Australia, after reshuffling political alliances, it is possible.
And the concrete proof that their communist system is essentially intact is the fact that they maintain the vast bulk of their state-owned enterprises, that the so-called private sector partners all of our firms have to pair up with are thinly-veiled agents of the PLA, and that the huge bulk of the Chinese population is still exactly as it was before the "economic reforms." Some specific tip-offs: Wages are constrained (why if they want betterment for all their people, why do they oppose a true middle class that isn't their agents and princelings?), the population widely and increasingly oppressed in totalitarian fashion, and unpermitted mobility illegal.
And a totalitarian society necessarily becomes aggressive and inimical to its neighbors...and in this case...against the U.S. which is acting as World Cop. Although its enmity is far deeper than that, as described by those who observe it on a daily basis...those explicitly in the cross-hairs of their expansionism in Taiwan:
See this article from the Taipei Times:
Don't appease Chinese expansionism
By Li Thian-hok 李天福
Wednesday, Sep 18, 2002,Page 8
There are several million Chinese-Americans residing in the US and half a million Taiwanese-Americans. The number of Chinese-Americans is growing rapidly because many Chinese graduate students manage to remain in the US after their studies and because of the smuggling of workers from China.
Although a minority of Chinese-Americans, typically of Cantonese descent whose forebears emigrated to the US in the 19th century, still support the ROC, a growing number of Chinese-Americans support the PRC, particularly in regards to its claim of sovereignty over Taiwan. Prominent Chinese-Americans sometimes write opinion pieces in the US papers to support Beijing's positions.
A common refrain is that the US should promote peaceful unification of Taiwan with China, without selling out the interests of the people of Taiwan. This is an oxymoron and an impossible task. Over 85 percent of the 23 million Taiwanese are against unification. They prefer the status quo of a de facto independent nation.
After decades of struggle against the KMT's rule, the people of Taiwan have built a thriving free market economy and a democracy which respects human rights. China is a repressive authoritarian state governed by the monolithic Chinese Communist Party (CCP). For the US to pressure Taiwan to forfeit its hard-won freedom and accept the CCP's harsh rule would violate a cardinal goal of US foreign policy -- to promote the universal values of democracy. Such perfidy would ruin US credibility, scuttle the US-Japan security alliance, and create dangerous instability in East Asia.
Another misinformed claim is that Taiwan has historically been an integral part of China's sacred territory which should never be allowed to split from China. To claim Taiwan is an indivisible part of China is to merely parrot Beijing's propaganda.
In the past 400 years, Taiwan was ruled by the Dutch, the Koxinga Kingdom, the Qing Dynasty, Japan and Chiang Kai-shek's KMT, but never by the PRC. As a result of its defeat in the Sino-Japanese War, the Qing Dynasty ceded Taiwan to Japan in 1895, in perpetuity.
Since 1895, Taiwan has been ruled by a central government in China for only four years, from 1945 to 1949. In 1945, Chiang's troops occupied Taiwan on behalf of the allied powers but the ROC never took title to Taiwan. In the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, Japan merely gave up its sovereignty over Taiwan, without specifying any beneficiary. Taiwan's history may be characterized as an incessant struggle for liberty against alien rulers. Taiwan has been separated from China for long periods of time.
The reality is that Taiwan is a sovereign state, separate from China. To quote President Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁), "only the people of Taiwan have the right to decide the future, fate and status of Taiwan."
The Taiwan Relations Act, the basic law which governs US-Taiwan relations, says the objective of the US is to preserve and expand the human rights of the people of Taiwan.
The right to self-determination is a basic human right enshrined in the UN Charter and in the 1966 International Covenant on Human Rights, to which both the US and China are signatories.
Chinese-Americans are fully aware of the Beijing's govern-ment's violation of human rights. These include the killing of hun-dreds of Falun Gong practitioners through torture, imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of dissidents in labor reform camps, mistreatment of Tibetans, system-atic harvesting of human organs from executed prisoners for profit and the slaughter of thousands of students at Tiananmen Square in 1989.
Yet there are entirely too many unconscionable Chinese-Americans who would be happy to have such a government imposed on the Taiwanese from the safe perch of their far away life in the US.
Still another theme is that the US should not treat China as an enemy lest it becomes one. But the US has always been friendly and polite to China. It is China which is baring its fangs. China's mass media is tightly controlled by the security agencies. Yet there is widespread, virulent anti-American rhetoric.
On Sept. 11 last year a group of Chinese reporters visiting the US were overwhelmed with glee over the terrorist attacks on the US. They were promptly sent back to China by their irate hosts. China has helped Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in building a better air defense to shoot down US jet fighters. China's proliferation of weapons of mass destruction to rogue states in the "axis of evil" is well documented. China is actively developing the capability to launch a blitzkrieg against Taiwan. China is expanding the number of ICBMs targeted at the US homeland and testing new ICBMs with multiple nuclear warheads.
Should the US blithely help China build its economy and its military power, hoping China will become a peace-loving nation? That would be a foolhardy policy. After 150 years of humiliation by Western powers, China has a deep sense of aggrieved nationalism, compulsively driving it to first become the hegemon of Asia and then to challenge the US for its "rightful" place as the Middle Kingdom, to become the undisputed superpower under the heavens. It is in the interest of the US to resolutely discourage such ambitions and to steer China toward the path of democracy and peaceful economic development. To earn the respect so badly coveted by the Chinese, China needs to learn to respect human rights and join the ranks of civilized nations. Chauvinism and military aggrandizement will only lead the Chinese people to calamity.
Chinese-Americans should be careful, lest in unthinkingly supporting Beijing's belligerent expansionism, they end up grievously harming the national interests of the US, Taiwan and yes, China.
Li Thian-hok is a freelance writer based in Pennsylvania. This story has been viewed 1400 times. Advertising
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Oh really. Why is the internet increasingly effectively censored in the PRC? How is it that they are brazenly hoping to make Australia an subordinate political colony if they are "changing"? Why is it that Fox's Hong Kong affiliate slavishly echoes the Bejing line? And as for your claims of Hong Kong stations criticising "Bejing" when, where, and how? Proof is lacking, and your word is not anywhere supported.
Let's see some proof that there are Chinese stations that attack Marx, Lenin and Mao, and oh yeah, Deng Xiouping, and the current passel of leaders, and communism per se. And then let's see what happens to any reporters that have the temerity to do so...and how quickly they land in a Laogai concentration camp. I doubt you can supply any proofs which support your thesis.
When an extraordinary claim is made, extraordinary proof is required.
And always remember the duplicitous nature of the Communist Beast. As Deng Xiouping told the Party faithful: "It doesn't matter whether you call the cat black our white. All that matters is that it catches mice."
Why don't you go there and check it out. That's all I can say. I saw news reports openly criticizes the government policies on the HK news. That's what i am saying -- they allow that on digital cable. The local Chinese news are still tightly controlled but for whatever reason, HK news can be seen in China.
Keep the second half of that phrase in mind when you question their imperialist designs.
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Dynasty/history-maps-dynasty.html
Look at the map in the Qing dynasty and look at it today. I don't think you can say that as expansionistic, in fact, it has shrunk quite a bit thanks to the Russians.
No one is going to argue that Tianamen massacre is good -- but you haven't produced one thread of what you claim to be is true, other than the normal party lines.
I have heard dissents and complaints about the government in private all the time in China. Have you even visited the place recently? For sure, mass protests and organization is forbidden, but there are gradual changes in terms of news reports. The HK news is real, and if you actually bother to go there and watch it on TV, you can see for yourself.
BTW -- the PRC obviously haven't censored freerepublic.com, cuz i can get to it from China :)
Look at the map? Look at the Map??? And what does a dynasty that ended in 1911 on the run have to do with anything that the current Communist Party wishes to squat upon?
So you would not object then if the Spanish Empire suddenly were able to reconstitute itself in all its territories? And the British Empire?
Man, where are you FROM?
"Look at the map? Look at the Map??? And what does a dynasty that ended in 1911 on the run have to do with anything that the current Communist Party wishes to squat upon?
So you would not object then if the Spanish Empire suddenly were able to reconstitute itself in all its territories? And the British Empire?
Man, where are you FROM?"
By your logic, then most of the states in the US are illegally occupied because it belonged to the Indians for centuries, right? After all, the original independent US has only 13 states.
Good. Maybe we can destabilize their government yet. But don't assume it will allow dissent to prevail or increase. Your own points don't prove anything other than that they are not free to change anything. I.e., they can't "organize". And I doubt very much your veracity about the free availability of anti-government press reports. You didn't document a single one. Meantime... China further criminalizes news accounting at variance with policy.
And as for your getting Free Republic in China that would be interesting news, if true, for Jim Robinson...note the general cyber censorship...and latest ratcheting up of their newest internet oppressions there...
Yup. Move along, the times they are changing, chchanging.... Sorry, David Bowie you're not.
Actually that appears to be your communist revisionist logic. Not mine. I don't think you are who you claim to be. You never answered a single point.
There weren't any majorities of "chinese" in Tibet wanting Chinese subjugation until China invaded. Or India. Or Uyghur (East Turkistan). Nor are there really a majority of any people in Taiwan who wish for Bejing rule. 85% don't. And I don't. Do you?
FReeper Dr. Marten has been posting from over there for quite a while.
I for one haven't really questioned their imperialist designs; just the ideology that drives those designs.
Is that in Hong Kong, or the mainland?
Smiliing-little-fascist-moneys-n-suits Bump.
Mainland.
Where in the mainland?
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