[Pukin Dog]

Pilots that push limits are stupid pilots. A good pilot is trained to go up to the limit (military) or to not go near them (civilian) unless under specific circumstances. The men that you mentioned were classic professionals, not cowboys. But the fact that many if not most pilots drink like fishes has led to this reputation.

[safisoft]

Pilots that push limits are stupid pilots. A good pilot is trained to go up to the limit (military) or to not go near them (civilian) unless under specific circumstances.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Only a STUPID pilot would think that going to the manufacturer's max altitude on a day when they can maintain 1.3 gs would think that it is "pushing the limits". Geez. You have no idea how many commercial aircraft you have been on that were flying at the publish max altitude - or in your mind, "pushing the limits".