[RegulatorCountry]

"If you detest Lincoln you do not have an open mind in the slightest."

And, if you fervently think that Lincoln was a saint, beyond reproach, your mind is... what, then?

[justshutupandtakeit]

I know of no one who considers him a saint. Is there a movement to beatify St. Abe?

We are discussing men. Men who make mistakes men who are flawed but also men who recognize their duty to their country and to history. It is in that light that Lincoln shines.

In fact, objectively looking at his leadership during this period that one is almost forced to conclude that we are dealing with divine intervention in order for him to have done as well as he did. Minority president, surrounded by men who believed him to be inferior to them, backstabbing Cabinet members, press hatred and ridicule unseen until Bush, a nation completely unprepared for even a small war, a nation filled with delusion as to what would be required to fight the war, an invasion of Mexico by a foreign power, European hostility to the war, traitorous Democrats in the North ready to sabotage his efforts. My God you can go on and on before any positives come up.