Posted on 06/13/2005 4:41:07 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
I was under the impression you have used that very same line on scores of other FR posters.
Good point!
Under the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln allowed states who did not rebel against the Federal governemnt to keep their slaves-if I understand correctly?
Personally I wish the CBF was as visible
as the "See Rock City" signs going to
Lookout Mountain!!!!
You have just given me another good idea to ponder.
This is an old canard that the Lost Causers have been pitching for a century now to people who understand neither the Emancipation Proclamation or the US Constitution.
The Emancipation Proclamation was a military order issued under the war powers of the Executive, that allowed the seizing enemy property, without providing compensation, that was used to further the war effort. Lincoln applied that order to the "slave property" of the rebellious states. He had no authority under the constitution to touch the property (slaves) of citizens in loyal states. Ending slavery in those states could only be done by the states themselves, (which he encouraged) or via a Constitutional Amendment, which he supported.
stop posting STUPID, arrogantly ignorant BILGE on FR & people here will stop laughing AT you.
otoh, i really enjoy you doing that, as you make "the unionist idiots" on FR look even DUMBER than usual.
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NUMEROUS members of the "plantation aristocracy" collaborated with the enemy, when promised that their "peculiar institution" would be protected in perpetuity by the union army.
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face it, "ditto", he was NOT a decent/moral person.
lincoln was only a cheap scheming shyster lawyer, who would do ANYTHING for $$$$$$$$ & power. ANYTHING.
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There are so many posts on this thread I haven't been able to read them all, but I have noticed a few that are slamming the Confederacy and the Confederate battle flag. And I'm sure there are some who are yelling that the flag is a symbol of slavery and hate.
My ancestors fought under that flag. They did not own slaves, and they did not hate. When the war was over they returned to their homes and their farms and raised their families to love this country. It's a little-known fact that in 1875, when it looked like the United States might go to war with Spain over Cuba, former Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest, a renowned cavalry leader in the Civil War, contacted the War Department, offering to raise a division of cavalry to fight for the United States. General William T. Sherman, the army chief of staff and a former opponent of Forrest's, recommended that the army consider the offer in case there was war.
The point I am making is that honoring our ancestors who wore gray does not in any way diminish our love for the United States. My family has been represented in the military service of the United States in every war since the Civil War. Some have come home scarred, and some have not come home at all. We can honor our proud Confederate heritage and still love this country. If those of you who take great joy in bashing the Confederacy and the South have difficulty comprehending that, it's your problem, not mine.
Or maybe it's just recognition of the fact that we're coming up on the 142nd anniversary of the high-water mark of the Confederacy. Bobby Lee and his band of southron invaders are about to meet up with the Army of the Potomac in a little place called Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
Live in your little Lost Cause dream world if you care, but the Critterton Compromise was a vain, last ditch effort to avoid war, had no chance of acceptance by the states, and without secession mearly affirmed the existing Constitutional reality that only the States could end slavery. Lincoln did not push for it as you falsly imply time after time. He only stated the obvious, that it made no difference if it passed or not, that he had no intention to interfer with slavery where it then existed, and he would not oppose this meaningless admendment if that is what lawmakers wanted to do.
Why don't you accept the reality that your ancestor heroes only "honest" complaint about Lincoln was his refusal to allow further expansion of their precious "peculiar institution" and the enormous wealth they generated and commanded via the trade in human flesh was threatened if slavery was confined to its existing boundries.
BTW. Did I mention that you are very much insane, and should see a good doctor. They can help you.
Do you believe that criticism of the political leadership, goals and objectives of the Confederacy of 1861-65 is the same as "bashing" the people of the South today?
Exactly! The south has always been among the most patriotic regions of the country, and that includes the last election. Anti-American sentiment generally arises in the northeast and on the west coast, among people who are horrified at the sight of a Confederate flag. Next time you see a bunch of punks burning an American flag and denouncing the Iraq War, ask them what they think of the Confederacy. They'll start screaming that the Confederates were racists, Nazis, fascists, yada yada yada.
The reason for secession wasn't hostility to the U.S. Constitution, but fear it was about to be eroded by federal supremacy. Kill the spirit of the Confederacy and you kill America. The Confederacy bashers around here won't be satisfied until Alabama and Texas vote like Massachusetts and Vermont.
I respect those soldiers who fought on both sides in the Civil War. I also understand the desire of the north to preserve the union. But this is America, not the EU, and the states have the right to secede.
"Do you believe that criticism of the political leadership, goals and objectives of the Confederacy of 1861-65 is the same as "bashing" the people of the South today?"
Regardless of the lofty ideals of those doing the criticism, it usually winds up as a bashfest. But then I've been experiencing Southern-bashing for over sixty years, so I guess I'm slightly thin-skinned.
as you are one of the most HATE-filled, arrogantly self-righteous, DUMB-bunnnies on FR, your advice is worth ZILCH.
what you should do is stop reading the LEFTIST-inspired,self-serving, ARROGANT LIES out of the most extreme, socialist/revisionist left & swallowing those LIES, hook,line & sinker.
you'd look smarter then.
the people who publish that BILGE despise the USA & the CSA. you're just too DUMB to know that you are being spoon-fed those FALSEHOODS.
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Care to point me to some that is even 10% of what stand waite does on each and every post?
And please -- to the question. Do you consider condemnation of the Slavocracy of the 1860s, the rise of the Klan or of Jim Crow as a insult directed to you? I'm not trying to trap you. I am curious as to why this is so with some.
for more information see the BOR.
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