Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Boeing challenge spoils Airbus party
Guardian Unlimited ^ | June 13, 2005 | David Gow

Posted on 06/12/2005 7:51:51 PM PDT by Righty_McRight

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last
To: datura
How hard would it be for the Frogs to put invisible spyware into that code, to know what Boeing is doing? Not hard at all.

You're correct, it wouldn't be that difficult, espeically if you don't have the source available to check for the existence of such. However, with billlions of dollars at stake, any CIO worth his salt would make sure that sensetive systems are isolated, and a two way firewall is in place. Data only goes where you want it to go, when you want it to go.

41 posted on 06/13/2005 6:23:40 AM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps; newgeezer
Yes, competition is good when competing parties bear roughly the same risks. Airbus passes its R&D costs (among other things) off on to the European rate payer because it is, in part, a state enterprise. Other companies have budget concerns that Airbus can simply subsidise.

It's even easier for the tax payers to subsidize Airbus when they don't have to pay for a military. They know the good ole US of A will bail them out in times of trouble.

42 posted on 06/13/2005 6:24:02 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo
Would EADS' supply chain be reliable in the event we are engaged in a war with which they do not agree? suppose we are defending Taiwan from a Chinese assault and France and Germany (the two largest state stakeholders in EADS) decide that they shan't support the US? There is a reason that Israel looked to US and domestic sources of aircraft - France began withholding materials and parts when they disagreed with Israel's policies.

The last thing that we need is the EU, by proxy of withholding parts, dictating our defense policy and commitments.
43 posted on 06/13/2005 6:28:36 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Prophet in the wilderness
LMaybe ? the Sonic Cruiser will be launched in 2010 ? 2015 ?

Nope, Boeing won't make that, the airlines don't want it.

44 posted on 06/13/2005 6:34:40 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

I don't know...that's why there is a bid process. To figure these things out.

My simple point is this...don't exclude a company for political reasons only.

People want to exclude Airbus simply because they hate the EU. I hate the EU as well, but I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face either.


45 posted on 06/13/2005 6:50:14 AM PDT by Guillermo (42% of suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudi and Bush continues to lick their boots)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo

My concerns are based on the actions of France in the past and present in defense contracts. Israel had a contract with Dassault, but that contract went to blazes when France disagreed with Israel's military actions. The governments of France and Germany hold the majority of the state-held shares of EADS - they are the puppet masters.

Remember, their interests and ours are not the same. They take bribes from dictators while we try to uproot them. Imagine going into Iraq with EADS aircraft in 2003. I doubt that Chirac and Schroeder would not have tried to cut-off parts and other components so as to shape events to their liking.


46 posted on 06/13/2005 7:04:37 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: rlmorel

"Hehehe...GO BOEING! They aren't going to just sit and take it any more like a bunch of Republicans!"

With Boeing flexing their entrepeneurial muscles with such might, how can Seattle especially, and Washington State generally, be so leftist? Topeka also has Boeing, and Kansas is very much in the conservative, Republican mold. Why not Washington? Is it because of too much Microsoft influence?


47 posted on 06/13/2005 7:38:19 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Too many hippies moved there during the 1960s and 1970s. Then, they bred and attracted more hippies.


48 posted on 06/13/2005 7:46:03 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

I agree completely. About as far as I am willing to go for ANY military device is Great Britain, and even then.

Well said.


49 posted on 06/13/2005 8:37:32 AM PDT by rlmorel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo

In my opinion, I would exclude Airbus because I don't think the way they are structured is healthy for a corporation.

The fact that I don't like the way they are an arm of their socialist governments is just icing on the cake!

But you are right-we live in a capitalist society, and the best product will win in the end, or should.


50 posted on 06/13/2005 8:40:26 AM PDT by rlmorel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
I doubt that Chirac and Schroeder would not have tried to cut-off parts and other components so as to shape events to their liking.

I doubt they would have. They had the chance, because the US military does contract with French and German companies, and they didn't disrupt any supply chain, as far as I know.

DHL is one of the main logistics companies for the US Military, and they are owned by the German Gov't.

51 posted on 06/13/2005 9:04:59 AM PDT by Guillermo (42% of suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudi and Bush continues to lick their boots)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Prophet in the wilderness
Maybe ? the Sonic Cruiser will be launched in 2010 ? 2015 ?

Gawd, hopefully the Sonic Cruiser will never be lauched. It is the absolute worst of both worlds: Fuel ineficent, yet not faster by enough to make it worthwile.

The speed gains over other long distance aircraft would amount to about a 15 minute savings at a 15% fuel penalty. You could eat up your 15 minutes of savings just waiting for your luggage at the baggage claim, because 3 A380s landed at the same time your plane did!

52 posted on 06/13/2005 11:09:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

"Too many hippies...they bred and attracted more hippies."

Hmmm, interesting. I have known a few 60's-70's hippies who are now more conservative than many on this forum. One of them was a customer - he owned a small, successful rubber molding company in Tennessee.

Another one owned a company in Arkansas and he had a sign in his office during the 1996 presidential campaign that read, "Hope is not in Arkansas!"

Guess the water out there in Washington prevents that sort of thing happening?


53 posted on 06/13/2005 12:39:13 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

NEVER TRUST THE FRANCE !!!!!
REMEMBER HISTORY

In mid sixty --we had a air base in Libya and french would play games with the f4E aircrafts----would not give permission
for over flight--but wait for the aircraft to top off for gas--and
then give permission --we learn to play that game

Also never drive your car with USA plate{green} to Paris in this time peroid. THIS SH!T is NOT NEW,


54 posted on 06/13/2005 12:49:27 PM PDT by ralph rotten
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

From what one relative told me about his years living in Seattle, the hippie culture established itself there. Once the town became "known" as a haven for hippies, they began congregating there. The same sort of thing happened in Austin. Before the counter-culture, Austin was fairly socialy conservative. Then, UT, like other universities, became hotbeds of hippie activity. After the first wave established itself, others began to arrive. Now, leftists go there becuase it has the reputation of being a left-wing paradise.


55 posted on 06/13/2005 12:51:10 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo

History lesson
We needed A1E in Thailand for down airman mission 65-71
and France had about 50 A1E they did not need--Would they help
us--NO, damm NO--not nice about it
Remember History ,Let not repeat

PS was DHL low bidder--I wonder WHY!!

NEVER TRUST THE FRANCE!!!!


56 posted on 06/13/2005 1:04:36 PM PDT by ralph rotten
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Prophet in the wilderness

The Sonic Cruiser wasn't a stunt, it was floated by Boeing, but its the wrong plane for today's market, no real need for it.

One problem with supersonics, aside from outrageous cost is the scheduling time, if you have a long enough range SST to go LA to Tokyo, you either have to leave at an ungodly hour, or land at an ungodly hour!

BTW, Airbus just got an order of 60 A350's from Qatar Airways, who has also ordered 20 777's. They still have a 747SP, but I think its a private plane for the royalty, must be nice.


57 posted on 06/13/2005 1:56:08 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Intelligent design is neither.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Righty_McRight
The plane has been hit by growing production difficulties at Airbus's plants, which have already caused a six-month delay in deliveries of the A380 to its first customers.

Ah, schadenfreude. :)

Then reading after that you see why such a company as Airbus is doomed to mediocrity. The politicos are running it, with all the inherent squabbles and power struggles. And how can you properly run a company with "co-chief executives"?

while the dispute over alleged subsidies remains.

Alleged subsidies? Subsidies are the only reason Airbus is as big as it is, probably the only reason it's still alive.

58 posted on 06/13/2005 2:06:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Central Scrutiniser

The Sonic Cruiser wasn't designed to travel at supersonic speeds. Boeing set the max cruise at .98 Mach. The aircraft was intended to carry 250 passengers at 40,000ft and have performance equal to most efficient aircraft in its passenger class. However, the work stalled in late 2002. The went as far as naming a project coordinator and assembling a project team. However, that was as far as Boeing went with the aircraft.


59 posted on 06/13/2005 2:25:32 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

I know the SC wasn't, but I didn't define it well in my post as two seperate subjects.


60 posted on 06/13/2005 3:51:47 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Intelligent design is neither.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson