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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Sorry it should be Over or Out. I was in WW II when the Commander in Chief and the military came up with a plan to win against two major well-armed enemies. It was done in less time that the present conflict against an enemy using car bombs and IEDs.

President Bush should do a Lincoln and fire this hopeless military leadership from Rumsfeld on down and replace them with leaders who are able to come up with a plan to win this war soon and not cop out about how difficult it is and how long it will take. Patton wouldn't take those excuses.

I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about.

14 posted on 06/12/2005 2:51:42 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose.)
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To: ex-snook
Sorry it should be Over or Out. I was in WW II when the Commander in Chief and the military came up with a plan to win against two major well-armed enemies. It was done in less time that the present conflict against an enemy using car bombs and IEDs.

President Bush should do a Lincoln and fire this hopeless military leadership from Rumsfeld on down and replace them with leaders who are able to come up with a plan to win this war soon and not cop out about how difficult it is and how long it will take. Patton wouldn't take those excuses.

I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about

The resident Bush hater comes out. Using your and Jones's logic there should have never been a D-Day.

Oh BTW what about the warnings the clinton administartion and the UN that saddam had WMD.

BTW, snook a simple question is the world better or worse off now that saddam is out of power.

18 posted on 06/12/2005 2:55:35 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: ex-snook

As time goes on, the more i'm inclined to agree with you.


23 posted on 06/12/2005 2:57:53 PM PDT by birbear (I know it might be wrong, but I'm love with Stacy's mom. And Kim's. And Rachel's. And Janet's.)
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To: ex-snook

We spent the first 3 to 4 years of the Civil War pussyfooting around... then General Sherman started burning rebel towns to the ground, and the war quickly came to an end.

Dresden, Hirsoshima...


35 posted on 06/12/2005 3:03:39 PM PDT by ambrose (...)
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To: ex-snook

With all due respect, we won this war incredibly quickly.
How many years did we stay in Germany and Japan after we helped the Allies win that war?
How many years have we been in Bosnia?
The war is over but if we leave before the Iraqi people can govern and defend themselves than our losses have truly been in vain.


44 posted on 06/12/2005 3:08:06 PM PDT by gate2wire (We Honor Those Who Serve---WE REMEMBER--Thank you)
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To: ex-snook

"replace them with leaders who are able to come up with a plan to win this war soon and not cop out about how difficult it is and how long it will take. Patton wouldn't take those excuses."
And how, may I ask, do you know there is not a plan?
Second, what is wrong with you idiots who think we should put a "deadline" on the war and, worst of all, announce to you and the enemy the date we are pulling out?! I can't even comprehend such stupidity!!!


57 posted on 06/12/2005 3:21:32 PM PDT by Winfield (sham)
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To: ex-snook

""I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about.""

What make you think turing tail in Iraq will improve our ability to deal with China,

If anything withdrawl and defeat in Iraq will encourage China to invade Taiwan


61 posted on 06/12/2005 3:23:22 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: ex-snook
Sorry it should be Over or Out. I was in WW II when the Commander in Chief and the military came up with a plan to win against two major well-armed enemies. It was done in less time that the present conflict against an enemy using car bombs and IEDs.

President Bush should do a Lincoln and fire this hopeless military leadership from Rumsfeld on down and replace them with leaders who are able to come up with a plan to win this war soon and not cop out about how difficult it is and how long it will take. Patton wouldn't take those excuses.

I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about.

I see your point, and agree with you somewhat. One of the major problems is that there's a huge enemy contingent here at home, something that really wasn't the case during WWII.

Back then, the press actually wanted the US to win. And they were willing to help the US military. That's no longer the case. Reading articles about the war, you get the feeling that if the press isn't activly supporting the enemies of the US, they at least are hoping that the US loses. And don't even get me started about the lawyers who are claiming that the people confined at GITMO deserve access to the US court system. During WWII, they would have been summarily shot. And people doing what the press or those lawyers were doing would have been arrested and charged with treason.

No, I don't think that President Bush could do what you say he should, given the political climate today. The simple fact is that congress doesn't have the will to fight a war the way it needs to be fought, and they would oppose the President all the way. We haven't fought a war the "right way" (keep fighting until the enemy is unable to fight any more, and unconditionally surrenders), which is why we haven't really seen a lasting peace since the end of WWII (the cold war doesn't count).

I believe that it was General Lamay that said had the US lost WWII, he would have been charged with war crimes. THAT'S THE WAY WAR SHOULD BE FOUGHT!!! HARD, DIRTY, AND UNTIL THE ENEMY IS DEFEATED AND UNABLE TO FIGHT!

Mark

72 posted on 06/12/2005 3:31:51 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: ex-snook
I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about.

I agree. We are scared to use our weapons, our technology, our overwhelming superiority. Instead we are letting our men police the civilians. I hate collateral damage, but we are risking our men, our nation to save Iraqi civilians from themselves. It is insanity. Do it now, do it completely, or get the hell out.

79 posted on 06/12/2005 3:40:08 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: ex-snook

WW2 was a war that we fought to win. It seems that despite having the most powerful military that has ever existed, we are in the middle of a PC war. We don't want to offend anyone by going after an enemy that uses mosques as protection even though the enemy has no problem blowing up mosques. Infractions by a few soldiers become blown up as proof that we are a nation of war criminals with our enemies within, the enemy's useful idiots, our own treasonous media, and America haters in general all merrily chiming in to weaken our will to win. Our enemies have an agenda and are cunning and patient. They are also barbaric. We on the the other hand as a nation seem to have the attention span of whatever show such as American Idol is on TV. Our dangerous enemies are somehow morphed into oppressed victims by many apathetic, clueless Americans. I could rant on forever about how a PC war is unwinnable but I believe the reasons are obvious.


83 posted on 06/12/2005 3:41:19 PM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: ex-snook
President Bush should do a Lincoln and fire this hopeless military leadership from Rumsfeld on down and replace them with leaders who are able to come up with a plan to win this war soon and not cop out about how difficult it is and how long it will take. Patton wouldn't take those excuses.

I'm with you 100%!


I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out
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97 posted on 06/12/2005 4:00:38 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: ex-snook
It was done in less time that the present conflict against an enemy using car bombs and IEDs.

Oh for the good old days of WWII when the enemy was in uniform, and on the battlefield. That part of the Iraq War was over rather quickly.

BTW, thanks for your service!

103 posted on 06/12/2005 4:15:26 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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