Posted on 06/12/2005 2:40:16 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
""I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about.""
What make you think turing tail in Iraq will improve our ability to deal with China,
If anything withdrawl and defeat in Iraq will encourage China to invade Taiwan
He must have found a few John Kerry clones (there will always be some malcontents) and hangs with them. All of the people I've spoken with that have been to Iraq are proud of the work they've done. Sure going back is not #1 on their list but so far all have said without question they will go when called.
One of my co-workers who is in the reserves came back from 14 months in Iraq. He wasn't called up but volunteered to go because of the need for officers with his specific training. His reserve unit wasn't called up. However, just 4 days after he came back to work, he was told to report for training with his unit for deployment to Afghanistan. I'm sure he wasn't thrilled (I know I'd like to be home longer than a couple of weeks) but as he put it "This is the job I agreed to do and I'll do it as long as my country and family are threatened."
Rep. Jones is a cut and run Republican.Maybe Jones wll run as a demwit in 06.
The fact that this is war and soldiers will die should have been on his mind ever since 9/11. I know it's been on mine every damn day.
Please post some examples. We can show them to the Liberals.
Somalis.
Doesnt anyone remember than Bin Laden himself said American's withdrawl (read defeat) inspired him to think he could get away with 9-11.
Ill ask anony again, if withdrawl and defeat in Somalia, inspired 9-11, what would withdrawl from Iraq inspire?
sorry for my typing
Then let's win in Iraq and get it over. [China seeing that we are taking forever to win against IEDs and car bombs is not impressing China either.]
"This is the job I agreed to do..."
Exactly!!!(And we thank and honor them all.)
President Bush should do a Lincoln and fire this hopeless military leadership from Rumsfeld on down and replace them with leaders who are able to come up with a plan to win this war soon and not cop out about how difficult it is and how long it will take. Patton wouldn't take those excuses.
I say again Over or Out. Get it Over or get us Out. We still have China to worry about.
I see your point, and agree with you somewhat. One of the major problems is that there's a huge enemy contingent here at home, something that really wasn't the case during WWII.
Back then, the press actually wanted the US to win. And they were willing to help the US military. That's no longer the case. Reading articles about the war, you get the feeling that if the press isn't activly supporting the enemies of the US, they at least are hoping that the US loses. And don't even get me started about the lawyers who are claiming that the people confined at GITMO deserve access to the US court system. During WWII, they would have been summarily shot. And people doing what the press or those lawyers were doing would have been arrested and charged with treason.
No, I don't think that President Bush could do what you say he should, given the political climate today. The simple fact is that congress doesn't have the will to fight a war the way it needs to be fought, and they would oppose the President all the way. We haven't fought a war the "right way" (keep fighting until the enemy is unable to fight any more, and unconditionally surrenders), which is why we haven't really seen a lasting peace since the end of WWII (the cold war doesn't count).
I believe that it was General Lamay that said had the US lost WWII, he would have been charged with war crimes. THAT'S THE WAY WAR SHOULD BE FOUGHT!!! HARD, DIRTY, AND UNTIL THE ENEMY IS DEFEATED AND UNABLE TO FIGHT!
Mark
The Carpetbagger Report
The education of Rep. Walter Jones
It was one of those silly examples that captured the absurdity of Republican politics perfectly. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) was frustrated that France was opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, so he thought it'd be a poignant gesture to change the name of "french fries" to "freedom fries" in the House dining hall. It was one of those silly examples that captured the absurdity of Republican politics perfectly. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) was frustrated that France was opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, so he thought it'd be a poignant gesture to change the name of "french fries" to "freedom fries" in the House dining hall.
After a press conference to announce the move, Jones, highlighting the level of class and dignity we've come to expect from congressional Republicans, told the Washington Post, "This isn't a political or publicity stunt. We feel sincere as to what we've done. This isn't going to change the debate or course of the world. It's a gesture just to say to the French, 'Up yours!'"
That was March 2003. Jones, to his credit, has learned a lot since then.
Ask him about it now, and he lays his cheek in his left hand, a habit he repeats dozens of times a day when lost in thought or sadness.
"I wish it had never happened," Jones said.
As it happens, it's not the only thing Jones has changed his mind about.
Jones now says we went to war "with no justification." He has challenged the Bush administration, quizzing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other presidential advisers in public hearings. He has lined the hallway outside his office with "the faces of the fallen."
Jones represents the state's most military congressional district, running from Camp Lejeune along the coast through Cherry Point, up to the Outer Banks.
"If we were given misinformation intentionally by people in this administration, to commit the authority to send boys, and in some instances girls, to go into Iraq, that is wrong," Jones said. "Congress must be told the truth."
True to form, the more Jones follows his conscience, the more he's ostracized by his party. He's fallen out of favor with the White House and Tom DeLay, especially after Jones broke party ranks to join Dems in demanding improvements to the House ethics rules.
But it's Jones' attitude towards the war in Iraq that shows the most dramatic evolution. In April, in a House Armed Services Committee hearing, Jones really lit into Richard Perle, the Pentagon adviser who provided the Bush administration with brainpower for the Iraq war.
Jones, who said he has signed more than 900 condolence letters to kin of fallen soldiers, pronounced himself "incensed" with Perle. "It is just amazing to me how we as a Congress were told we had to remove this man … but the reason we were given was not accurate," Jones told Perle at a House Armed Services Committee hearing. Jones said the administration should "apologize for the misinformation that was given. To me there should be somebody who is large enough to say 'We've made a mistake.' I've not heard that yet." […]
Perle wasn't about to provide the apology Jones sought. He disavowed any responsibility for his confident prewar assertions about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, heaping the blame instead on "appalling incompetence" at the CIA. "There is reason to believe that we were sucked into an ill-conceived initial attack aimed at Saddam himself by double agents planted by the regime. And as we now know the estimate of Saddam's stockpile of weapons of mass destruction was substantially wrong."
Jones, nearly in tears as he held up Perle's testimony, glared at the witness. "I went to a Marine's funeral who left a wife and three children, twins he never saw, and I'll tell you, I apologize, Mr. Chairman, but I am just incensed with this statement."
There's hope for some of these guys yet. Now, if only Jones were the rule instead of the exception.
After a press conference to announce the move, Jones, highlighting the level of class and dignity we've come to expect from congressional Republicans, told the Washington Post, "This isn't a political or publicity stunt. We feel sincere as to what we've done. This isn't going to change the debate or course of the world. It's a gesture just to say to the French, 'Up yours!'"
That was March 2003. Jones, to his credit, has learned a lot since then.
Ask him about it now, and he lays his cheek in his left hand, a habit he repeats dozens of times a day when lost in thought or sadness.
"I wish it had never happened," Jones said.
As it happens, it's not the only thing Jones has changed his mind about.
Jones now says we went to war "with no justification." He has challenged the Bush administration, quizzing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other presidential advisers in public hearings. He has lined the hallway outside his office with "the faces of the fallen."
Jones represents the state's most military congressional district, running from Camp Lejeune along the coast through Cherry Point, up to the Outer Banks.
"If we were given misinformation intentionally by people in this administration, to commit the authority to send boys, and in some instances girls, to go into Iraq, that is wrong," Jones said. "Congress must be told the truth."
True to form, the more Jones follows his conscience, the more he's ostracized by his party. He's fallen out of favor with the White House and Tom DeLay, especially after Jones broke party ranks to join Dems in demanding improvements to the House ethics rules.
But it's Jones' attitude towards the war in Iraq that shows the most dramatic evolution. In April, in a House Armed Services Committee hearing, Jones really lit into Richard Perle, the Pentagon adviser who provided the Bush administration with brainpower for the Iraq war.
Jones, who said he has signed more than 900 condolence letters to kin of fallen soldiers, pronounced himself "incensed" with Perle. "It is just amazing to me how we as a Congress were told we had to remove this man … but the reason we were given was not accurate," Jones told Perle at a House Armed Services Committee hearing. Jones said the administration should "apologize for the misinformation that was given. To me there should be somebody who is large enough to say 'We've made a mistake.' I've not heard that yet." […]
Perle wasn't about to provide the apology Jones sought. He disavowed any responsibility for his confident prewar assertions about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, heaping the blame instead on "appalling incompetence" at the CIA. "There is reason to believe that we were sucked into an ill-conceived initial attack aimed at Saddam himself by double agents planted by the regime. And as we now know the estimate of Saddam's stockpile of weapons of mass destruction was substantially wrong."
Jones, nearly in tears as he held up Perle's testimony, glared at the witness. "I went to a Marine's funeral who left a wife and three children, twins he never saw, and I'll tell you, I apologize, Mr. Chairman, but I am just incensed with this statement."
There's hope for some of these guys yet. Now, if only Jones were the rule instead of the exception….
China may not be impressed but they dont know if we will intervene to defend Taiwan or not.
If we turn tail in Iraq, allow a fledgling democracy to fall to homocide bombers and Al Qaeda, then they will be embolden to invade Taiwan. Not to mention how embolden Iran would be.
I'll post on this tomorrow on my blog.
I have a nephew that joined last year--he is stationed in Florida right now, but when he was home at Christmas, he told me that he and all of his buddies at his base, can't wait to go to Iraq...
I asked him if he wastn't afraid to go to Iraq...he said of course, it is scary, but he and the others certainly wouldn't have enlisted if they were too afraid to fight there!!!
I think the poor troops are being treated to the treatment that the Viet vets got---NEGATIVITY all the time from the MSM, and the dems!
I have to tell you that we live close to Ft Hood. Soldiers coming back from Iraq with the 1st Cavalry are becoming quite vocal about their opposition to the war.
You should be aware of the following comments, posted earlier by Txsleuth.
I have a nephew that joined last year--he is stationed in Florida right now, but when he was home at Christmas, he told me that he and all of his buddies at his base, can't wait to go to Iraq...
I asked him if he wastn't afraid to go to Iraq...he said of course, it is scary, but he and the others certainly wouldn't have enlisted if they were too afraid to fight there!!!
I think the poor troops are being treated to the treatment that the Viet vets got---NEGATIVITY all the time from the MSM, and the dems!
I agree. We are scared to use our weapons, our technology, our overwhelming superiority. Instead we are letting our men police the civilians. I hate collateral damage, but we are risking our men, our nation to save Iraqi civilians from themselves. It is insanity. Do it now, do it completely, or get the hell out.
I think Rep. Jones, and other politicians that continue to bring up the total of the dead...over 1700...
NEED to use some perspective in their thinking..of course, we all hate that anyone has had to die over there...
BUT, considering TWICE that many people die in auto accidents EVERY MONTH here in the US...it is a relatively small number of fatalities...
Also, I think one of the "practices or drills" for the landing at D-Day caused the deaths of more than 1700, in one day...in a PRACTICE...
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