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A reversal of fortune at the 2005 Paris Air Show
Seattle Times ^ | 12 Jun 05 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 06/12/2005 6:43:05 AM PDT by Arkie2

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Looks like Airbus has run aground. Boeing is going to embarras them in their own backyard at the Paris Airshow. Ain't it sweet!
1 posted on 06/12/2005 6:43:05 AM PDT by Arkie2
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Suggest they park the 380 next to the Spruce Goose.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 6:49:01 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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In regards to the A380:


3 posted on 06/12/2005 6:55:24 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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I can't help but wonder if the recent spate of Boeing sales are being driven by the Airbus jet that lost it's tail fin over the Caribbean. The French can bribe local airline executives and their supervising politicians -- but no bribe is big enough if the product is going to crash. A tank that breaks down is not a big problem since most of them outside the US/UK/Australia are ever going to be used. A passenger jet liner that breaks down in air is going to publicly kill the passengers and the owning airline's reputation.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 6:57:40 AM PDT by LenS
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Yeah, and it's going to be six months late being delivered. That delay may be the first of many. I think Airbus has hit the shoals with this plane and Boeing will soon be announcing the enhanced 747 which may actually come to market ahead of the A-380.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 7:00:01 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: LenS

Don't forget that the American Airlines plane that broke up after takeoff from JFK after 9-11 was an Airbus. Even though the accident report cited overly aggressive control inputs by the F/O there was, and is, a suspicion that the composite rudder failed due to design error.


6 posted on 06/12/2005 7:03:05 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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My personal name for the A380 is "The Albatross."

I think it looks like world's largest albatross, bird of ill omen. May it be the proverbial albatross around Airbus' neck.


7 posted on 06/12/2005 7:07:36 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I was aware of that. And I'd guess that airline procurement people have that crash also in their thoughts as they make their decisions.

Of course, if there is a problem, is it really a design error? Or is it a material problem that's just now coming out as we get enough usage hours on composite wings and tails?


Hmm, perhaps this Boeing turnaround is really due to it's ex-boss playing French leader with his subordinate? *g*

8 posted on 06/12/2005 7:16:09 AM PDT by LenS
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Not only design error, but possibly Airbus not offering proper information on how to maintain the composite tail structure on a long-term basis!

But I think Airbus learned its lesson: the tail design on the A330/A340 models are vastly stronger and subject to more stringent maintanence procedures, and Airbus has been extremely careful with the A380 tail design for the very same reason.

9 posted on 06/12/2005 7:18:24 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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Now, if Boeing just had the guts to bring the 787 in over Paris with a full barrel roll...


10 posted on 06/12/2005 7:20:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Spruce Goose:


A380:


11 posted on 06/12/2005 7:23:57 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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What is amazing was the media tsunami that happened a few months ago with this plane. It was 380 this ... air bus that... now you look below the surface and there is a stench of death...


12 posted on 06/12/2005 7:28:46 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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Boeing has made huge stides in efficiency recently, outsourcing much of their engineering and manufacturing work to Russia, Japan and India. Where a few years ago it would take Boeing 22 days to build a typical commercial jetliner, that should come down to just 3 days in the near future due to "just-in-time" deliveries throughout their entire supply chain.


13 posted on 06/12/2005 7:31:28 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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... French Rafale, the Swedish Gripen and the British-German-Spanish-Italian Typhoon Eurofighter.

Each probably about as effective as a pop gun in the hands of a Quaker.

14 posted on 06/12/2005 7:52:22 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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The Gripen is actually a pretty competent bird, roughly as capable as one of our F-15E's.

The Rafale is still having problems, and the EF2000 isn't getting traction either.


15 posted on 06/12/2005 7:57:19 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Airbus has asked the British government for a subsidy of almost $700 million to make the A350 wings in Wales

I read a figure almost twice that from European papers with a total launch aid request of $4bln.

16 posted on 06/12/2005 8:02:05 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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You know, all passenger aircraft manufacturers have produced products that have had serious flaws and many have even crashed. Boeing certainly has had its share of screw-ups.

Despite hating the French government and the arrogance of most of its citizens, I happen to LOVE Airbus aircraft. To be honest, I feel more comfortable in them than in Boeings. The interiors of all that I've ridden in were much nicer.

Sure, Airbus pays bribes to get sales - common business practice in Europe (and is expected in Asia) - but this doesn't detract from the fact the quality and regulation-obsessed Europeans have produced a mighty-fine aircraft.

I for one happen to believe Boeing has gotten sloppy when its American rivals went the way of the dodo. Competition is good for all of us. It is in everyone's best interest to have two major rivals competing to make the better product.


17 posted on 06/12/2005 8:12:46 AM PDT by Edward Watson
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Just as the show opens, a World Trade Organization panel in Geneva is expected to begin considering the U.S. case against Airbus subsidies — a move aimed squarely at stopping European government loans to the A350.

This should be good theater.

18 posted on 06/12/2005 8:23:27 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I'd vote for a tailslide or hammerhead stall.

Didn't that 707 test pilot decide to do his roll over Seattle on his own authority and guts?


19 posted on 06/12/2005 8:47:10 AM PDT by BootsOnTheGround (A free America is the World's last hope.)
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To: Spktyr

As someone said yesterday "Airflop380".


20 posted on 06/12/2005 8:56:33 AM PDT by G-Man 1
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