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1 posted on 06/11/2005 5:33:10 PM PDT by Coleus
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Defying the Death Culture (Stoke Victim Nearly Suffered the fate of Terri Schiavo)
2 posted on 06/11/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: zahal724

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3 posted on 06/11/2005 5:40:11 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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4 posted on 06/11/2005 5:40:35 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Coleus

Terri's death is one of the most unfortunate and brazenly apalling events of the new millenium thus far in our country (not as high as 9/11, but above Michael Moore's rise to liberal prominence).


6 posted on 06/11/2005 5:52:12 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic (If Benedict Arnold were alive today, he'd be pardoned.)
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To: Coleus; mickie

I was just talking about Terri yesterday to my mother. I cannot stand to read anything about her and her botched case, she was killed, plain and simple. I am still outraged!


7 posted on 06/11/2005 5:54:24 PM PDT by MVV (Compassionate Conservative!)
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To: Coleus

More proof that the National Socialist Democrats can get away with murder and laugh about it all the way to book deals.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 5:59:51 PM PDT by crz
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To: Coleus

Kate Adamson did an incredible work in helping Americans understand this from the patient perspective. Her service in telling her story was so important. She is articulate and one of the few sources of truth in this whole sordid matter. Many thanks to her - and to the wonderful husband who championed her cause.


10 posted on 06/11/2005 6:05:15 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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"Patients who are terminally ill and conscious and refuse food and drink at the end of life say that they do not generally experience pangs of hunger, since their bodies do not need much food."

Of course, one does not have to be an "expert" to recognize that this distorted view of death by starvation and dehydration defies common sense.

If starvation is not all that bad, then why should we be concerned about the plight of famine victims?

I don't think it's valid to compare someone who is terminally ill and conscious (and dying) to Terri Schiavo or to people who are starving because of a famine. Terri wasn't terminally ill and people in the midst of a famine are not refusing to eat.

IMO, the author is comparing apples to oranges.

12 posted on 06/11/2005 6:06:56 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Coleus

There's pretty good evidence that unborn children feel pain, too, when they are killed in the womb. Certainly this is true of late-term abortions, and probably of fairly early abortions.

The leftists see no harm in doing to people what they would never think of doing to seals or whales.


14 posted on 06/11/2005 6:15:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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“Patients who are terminally ill and conscious and refuse food and drink at the end of life say that they do not generally experience pangs of hunger, since their bodies do not need much food.”

This may actually be true. The problem here is that Terry Schiavo was 'at the end of life' for 15 years. IOW, she was not physically at the end of life.

15 posted on 06/11/2005 6:20:02 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: Coleus
Since when has food and water been considered medicine?

Just try telling the IRS that you're writing off all your grocery bills as a medical expense.

18 posted on 06/11/2005 7:08:18 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Yesterday I read the statement my Archbishop made about Terri's death. He called it euthanasia. I wanted to whack him up side the head for not calling it what it was-murder.

Even though he said it was wrong, and that euthanasia of those in a PVS is always wrong, he gave the impression that it was not the horrific, reprehensible, inhumane, disgusting, and vile act that it was. I was also PO'd he seemed to buy the PVS BS.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I will never have the "Bishop's ear" so I guess he needn't worry about my opinion on his statement.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 7:15:56 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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I'll never get over that our country allowed a disabled innocent woman to be murdered by dehydration.

I will never see this country the same again.

21 posted on 06/11/2005 8:05:30 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Coleus
The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water

PVS is not actually a medical condition.  It is a diagnosis whose sole purpose is to allow nutrition and hydration to be withheld.  By creating this fictitious condition, medical facilities are free to kill patients who are using resources they would prefer to have available to others.  The "diagnosis" avoids legal liability for their actions.
24 posted on 06/11/2005 8:27:28 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: Coleus

bttt


26 posted on 06/11/2005 8:55:33 PM PDT by clyde asbury (Cuyahoga)
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To: Coleus
Was the autopsy ever released? There was lots of talk about it when this whole issue was hot, but a search of FR returns no hits except those talking about an autopsy that was to be performed. Nothing about results. I find that to be curious.
27 posted on 06/11/2005 9:04:38 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats are Varelse...)
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To: Future Useless Eater

In the event you have not seen this posted.


28 posted on 06/11/2005 9:08:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Coleus

bookmark


29 posted on 06/11/2005 11:42:41 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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later pingout.


30 posted on 06/12/2005 12:09:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Coleus
Humor me ...

• Liberals claim that the decision of a husband to kill his wife by denying her food and water is a “private matter.” Since when has a husband killing a wife been considered a private matter under our laws? [A husband who was living in an adulterous affair yet was granted by a judge the right to have his first wife (Jodi is his second) put down, to free him up for his already under way 'second life' ... a greater miscarraige of the judicial system I cannot easily name.]

• Terri’s husband Michael claims that Terri would have wanted her feeding tube removed rather than live in the state she was in. But Terri did not put this wish in writing, and others who knew her say that she would not have wished to be killed. Moreover, Michael did not bring to light Terri’s supposed wishes until seven years after her injury.[What MS claimed Terri said regarding life support was at least a decade before feeding tubes were redefined as life support, thus to apply some comment made before the change to her life after the change is eggregious wrong and smacks of 'grandfathering euthanasia'.]

• Advocates of the culture of death claim that they were allowing Terri to “die with dignity” by removing her feeding tube. Implicit in that statement is the notion that a slow death by starvation and dehydration is dignified and that Terri Schiavo retained the mental capacity to understand and agree with this. Yet the very liberals advocating this point of view also claim that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and that she had no self-awareness.[The evil of dehumanizing often requires the one promoting it to claim contradictory assertions ... it's called deceit most foul under other circumstances.]

• Pro-death forces also claim that Terri Schiavo was on life support and was being kept alive through extraordinary means. But a feeding tube is not life support in the traditional sense. [And when Terri was supposed to have made her comments regarding life support, a respirator not a feeding tube was the standard of 'extraordinary life supporting measures'.] Also, foregoing extraordinary means to keep a dying patient living longer sounds rational, but providing food and water is not an extraordinary means, and Terri was not dying. In fact, Terri’s death resulted from the deliberate denial of food and water; it was not a natural consequence of her medical condition. [And that fact of her ordered killing by a probate court judge is why I called her death an execution ... the judge ordered that no one was to try and feed her by mouth or even give her moisture by mouth upon her tongue. THAT is malice aforethought, an ordered execution by a judge not empowered to issue execution orders.]

• The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water, it is still worth pointing out that some medical authorities disagreed with this diagnosis. In the April 4 issue of THE NEW AMERICAN, we quoted Dr. Richard Neubauer, medical director of the Ocean Hyperbaric Neurologic Center in Ft. Lauderdale, as stating in an affidavit that Terri was neither “brain dead” nor in a “persistent vegetative state.”

• Leftist politicians and media outlets criticized the Republican Congress and the president for enacting a law aimed at saving Terri’s life [And the democrat party has signaled their intention to pound the issue for political gain, using the same deceit and outright lies formulated and promoted by their media whoredom ... and no doubt there will be joyous FR members joining in the pounding, regardless of truth or unseemly assuasion.] and accused the Republicans of “practicing medicine without a license.” Since when has food and water been considered medicine? Aside from that, the same leftist politicians want the government to run the entire health care system. (If they succeed in accomplishing that objective, it would not be surprising to find the government rationing care and determining who lives and who dies.)

I am indeed surprised that at least Hildy has not yet jumped on this thread to argue the financial perils of 'keeping the useless eaters alive.'

31 posted on 06/12/2005 12:09:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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