Posted on 06/11/2005 1:45:05 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
A few years ago, some farmer in the US was breeding red heiffers for this rebuilding the Temple effort. The heiffer has to be perfect. There was discussion about this on FR at the time it made the news.
Eastern Orthodox Church is Catholic.
It is recognized by Rome.
There is nothing in the Bible that says it has to be built on the very exact spot as the Dome of the Rock...as some Rabinnical students pointed out a couple of years ago when the laid a symbolic corner stone on the "border" of the old temple site!
I checked...there is absolutely nothing that says the temple couldn't be built right now...!
There is noting in the Bible that syas it has to be built on the exact spot as the Dome of the Rock...it just merely needs to be close by!
There there, you don't need to go running off at the mouth calling names. Stand up and debate like a man.
God does not do "That's close enough".
BTTT
The Eastern Orthodox Church does NOT need to be recognized by the Roman Catholic Church. They are SEPARATE CHURCHES.... completely.
But God did not say "on the exact spot" for the third temple either, he JUST SAID it would be rebuilt.(show me the Bible verse that says "on the exact spot") As a matter of fact he did not COMMAND for Israel to build that third temple and to restart the sacrifices since that would be a rejection of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the entire World! The Bible JUST SAYS the sacrifices WOULD restart.
The fact that the third temple is rebuilt is actually a continued demonstration of the obtuse hardness of the nation of Israel towards God and his son Jesus Christ. They may has some desire for God... but still, only on their OWN terms and not HIS!
Your approach is a valid scholarly approach, but not one of faith.
David Klinghoffer's book "The Discovery of God" explains the very different approaches. The text of the Torah read without the Oral Law, appears to the secular person to be contradictory. That is because you only have part of the picture.
The Oral Law, which Orthodox Jews of faith believe is part and parcel of the God given Torah from Moses at Sinai, explains that what you see as a lapse of continuity in possession of the Torah (Kings 2/22) is in fact something different.
There was no lapse in custody. In Kings 2/22, the Torah scroll rediscovered after a lapse of some fifty years was not the only one but the original one from Moses at Sinai hidden to protect it from the idolotarous King Menasseh, of that period. During that time copies of the Torah were extant and in use.
Must not have been many copies out and in use!
More recent archaeology says an Egyptian had pretty well shut the place down just a few decades earlier.
"Archaeology" is imprecise hypothesis driven science. Again you are confusing the secular with matters of faith.
People who lack faith always make that particular mistake.
"Must not have been many copies out and in use!"
But even working on your terms, how many "copies" are needed of an archaelogical relic to establish a "fact" of that science? Why would you require more copies of the Torah? God only gave one to Moses, and that one founded Judaism and Christianity.
If you had ever seen a Torah written, you might perceive the matter of accuracy diffently. Do you have any idea of the cost of this meticulous process?
Sabra and Shatilla.
I was assuming you used the words in their common sense. Personally, as a pious Orthodox Christian, I know perfectly well that the Orthodox Church is Catholic, in the sense of being the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, spoken of in the Creed.
The adjective Orthodox only became a necessity when the separated Patriarchate of Rome kept loudly claiming the name "Catholic". If you follow the religion threads, you will notice that I scrupulously follow the patristic custom of refering to those in communion with the Pope of Rome as "Latins" and their communion as the Latin church--I will not rhetorically credit their claim to catholicity, even with the qualifying adjective "Roman". (Besides as the Turks and Arabs who conquerored the Empire knew and know, my spiritual forebearers along the shores of the Eastern Mediterranean were Romans, too, even if the old capital had been overrun and removed from the Empire, so the qualifying adjective wouldn't be much to the point.)
If I expected you to understand my post I would have posted it to you.
The Altar is at the back of the church, the table is at the front. You know, where the front doors are.
The table was used by the money changers.
Your projectionistic post to me was unlightening, albeit a microscopic view into your soul.
We are in agreement.
There are very few christian churches that are seperate churches completely.
Nothing springs up without there being a source. The source is Jesus Christ.
Where the branches seperate from the root is really not all that important.
What is important is that they all stay connected to the root because without that connection they die.
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