Russia to test PAK-FA in 2007 ( Counter to the F-22 Raptors?)

India-Defence & ITAR TASS ^ | June 8, 2005

[Srirangan]

Russia to test PAK-FA in 2007

KUBINKA, Moscow Region, June 8 (Itar-Tass) -- The development of the fifth generation fighter proceeds in strict compliance with the schedule and the plane will be flight-tested in 2007, the commander-in-chief of the Air Force, Vladimir Mikhailov has said.

About the condition of the Russian Air Force’s fleet of aircraft Mikhailov said, “the Air Force receives planes in sufficient numbers, there are aircraft at the reserve bases, too.”

“We are also receiving new planes, including Su-34 and Su-27SM, and others still being tested. There is nothing we can criticize these planes for.”

Russian presidential adviser Alexander Burutin told reporters that the Russian Air Force by 2012 will have up to 60 percent of new aviation technologies.

“A new armament program has been developed and we shall achieve this parameter by 2010-2012,” he said.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

100% Russian. You'll have to admit they come up with great fighters.

I try to give them credit where due but I also think most of their technical progress, in aircraft and elsewhere, is stolen (given?) from us. It is amazing how similar their designs are to designs we are testing or designs we had and abandoned for political reasons. They don't take near as long as we do to go from design to production.

[familyop]

BTW, that was from warfare.ru - "Russia's Military Analysis"

http://warfare.ru/?catid=255&linkid=2280

[spetznaz]

Actually the biggest threat with have is French UCAV technology falling into Chinese hands (which will definitely happen). That is something the Chinese want more than (almost) anything, and something the French will be willing to offer. The era of manned air-superiority/supremacy basically came to a close with the F-15/SU-27, and all the subsequent fighters (from the advnanced SU-27 derivatives such as the SU-30 and prototypes like the Berkut, Pak-Fa and the MFI; European offerings like the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon; and US stallions like the Raptor and F35JSF are basically the echo vestiges of a past era). The future is basically UCAV based, with a core of manned fighters for flexibility and guidance purposes (and obviously a bomber force with advnanced stand-off weapons such as the JASSM, as well as busloads of JDAMs).

Anyways, one of the things we need to be watching for is transfer of UCAV tech, particularly French UCAV tech (the French are ahead of Europe in terms of stealthy 'US-style' UCAV technology ....and by UCAV I mean along the lines of the Boeing X-45 demonstrator and NOT the Predator type 'UCAVs' which are in a nutshell recon whizees with Hellfire missiles). The Chinese want next-gen UCAV technology, and the French will be more than willing (and able) to provide it to them (either overtly or covertly).

The following is the French design for their next-gen UCAV. The Dassault Neuron:

But no worries. We also have our own babies:

There will always be manned planes, and the Raptor is the meanest mofo kissing the wild blue yonder. But the future belongs to UCAVs. And while several nations are working on stealthy manned aircraft (from an Indian-Russian alliance that seeks to develop stealth fighters to fight proposed Chinese stealth designs, to even an Iranian proposal from a stealth aircraft ....yep, THAT Iran), you will see many of the relatively richer nations in that region (eg India and China) start delving into UCAVs. And, again, I do not mean things along the lines of the Hunter RQ5A UAV or the Predator, but actual 'true' UCAVs.

Einstein was wrong when he said the following: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." World War 4 will be fought with war-robots and economics...not rocks and sharpened sticks (with WW3 having been the Cold War).

[spetznaz]

with have = we face

[familyop]

"...but I also think most of their technical progress, in aircraft and elsewhere, is stolen (given?) from us."

Be sure to see comment #20, and do notice the bold type at the end of it. IMO, we've been had again. And I was promoting India as a tactical partner until now. It's now also no great wonder now as to why our leadership stopped the Arrow-2 staging in Israel (source of high-tech. stuff to India).

[Srirangan]

Great post! Thanks!

[burzum]

Be careful when criticizing Einstein. To say that very few were successful is a vast understatement. Even when Einstein doubted his own intuition, he was wrong (see his cosmological constant in general relativity--wasn't shown to be correct until 80 years after its discovery).

Anyways, Einstein was a person who had seen two world wars. I doubt he would classify the Cold War as WWIII.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Would it be a good guess, that the tech that the public is aware of, and the UCAV's that the public is aware of, the scientist and our military have things and tech well advanced in decades in what we see today.

[spetznaz]

Actually there are very few people i look at with the same awe i have for Einstein ...actually the only one I can think of offhead is Nikola Tesla. Einstein was a truly remarkable individual (and yes, the cosmological constant thing was quite ironic). The guy was just simply amazing. However I think the Cold War was as much of a world war as the first two, and in a couple of ways even more so. Just because blood wasn't overtly shed does not mean it was not a veritable world war, because it was a world war in every sense of the war.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

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[taxesareforever]

It was meant as tongue in cheek. However, I do believe that for the Russians to get where they are going they don't value human life in order to get there. Just an my observation.

[spetznaz]

I don't know about the 'advanced in decades' part, but a good measure is to look at when work started on the Have Blue project that gave us the F-117A stealth 'fighter,' and when the plane became operational, and when the public was finally told about it. If the F-117 was kept secret for so long then it would not be a stretch to say that there is probably other stuff chilling out in some dank dark hangar that the public has no idea of!

Let me put it another way ....many of the UFO talk you hear about is not crazy talk. UFO's exist ....as in Unidentified Flying Objects. The only important thing to note is that they are not alien but very much terrestrial! And the funny thing is that if you compare some of the drawings of 'alien spacecraft' drawn in the 70s and 80s you'll see some similarities to the B2 Spirit and the F-117.

[spetznaz]

UFO's = UFOs

I need to go to sleep. LOL. Goodnight.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I meant... what does " with have = we face " mean ?

[burzum]

I understand you point that you were trying to discuss and I went a little offtopic. The point I was trying to make is that your definition of World War is more liberal (don't shoot me) than the one that Einstein knew. The definition of World War in the 50s was of a shooting war sparked from a powderkeg of two mutually opposing allied groups on a global scale. While the Cold War would have caused WWIII if the powderkeg ignited, it did not. Liberal definitions of world war can include the Global War on Terrorism, the American Revolutionary War, as well as WWI and WWII. I only bring this up because when people talk of world war, they often don't mean the same thing.

[spetznaz]

I made a typo ....first sentence i believe of my first post on this thread.

The reply on post 35 was directed towards your other post.