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To: ancient_geezer
>>The best argument for a sales tax is because it means the government would need to keep NO records on the individual taxpayer.

> Have a social security number, you get a sales tax rebate check each month for NRST on povertylevel of expenditures.

That's a lot more than the "no record" claimed. If it were changed to "minimal record" then I would not argue with it. But as it is written it is a lie.

127 posted on 06/10/2005 12:27:19 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
If it were changed to "minimal record" then I would not argue with it. But as it is written it is a lie.

Why don't you take it up with the poster who said it?

182 posted on 06/10/2005 12:59:57 PM PDT by Principled
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To: FreedomCalls

>>The best argument for a sales tax is because it means the government would need to keep NO records on the individual taxpayer.

If it were changed to "minimal record" then I would not argue with it. But as it is written it is a lie.

The only tax collected is the NRST for which no tracking of an individual as a taxpayer is required. SS/Medicare taxes are repealed by the legislation thus even that link has been broken.

The choice is totally yours to make as to whether or not you supply sufficient infomation for sales tax rebate to be processed and sent to you.

The social security number exists for social security benefit calculation as the NRST does nothing to change the Social Security Act itself.

You are free to not provide any information if you chose not to receive the sales tax rebate. There is an explicit provision making the annual application for such totally voluntary and up to the citizen.

There is no record of you for even the sales tax rebate if you do choose not to receive it, same as there would be no record if the sales tax rebate did not exist.

The choice of receiving the rebate is solely up to you.

The NRST however is collected anonomously, regardless of any decisions you make about social security numbers or participation in the sales tax rebate program.

183 posted on 06/10/2005 1:00:37 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: FreedomCalls
That's a lot more than the "no record" claimed. If it were changed to "minimal record" then I would not argue with it. But as it is written it is a lie.

That's one of my biggest beefs with the 'fair tax' proponents. They make extreme claims that aren't true. They say they eliminate the IRS, technically true I suppose, but there is still a federal revenue collection agency, just not called the IRS. Is that really an improvement?

267 posted on 06/10/2005 2:04:07 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: FreedomCalls

Are you trying to be funny?

The income tax requires lots of document and government intrusion into the individual. The FairTax eliminates all of that.

The social security program taxes you and maintains records on you now to track your income. (Your benefits are determined by a separate law which can be changed, BTW, to eliminate or change the benefit any time they want.) Those records will still be maintained so that you can collect when you retire.

IF, and ONLY IF, you choose to receive the prebate, will you have to submit your name, address, and the SS numbers of those in your household once a year.

Is that truly the only thing standing in your way -- the choice of words of someone explaining the incredible difference in reporting requirements?

The bill clearly spells out that requirement. Since I find it unlikely that I would register for the prebate, I might commit the horrible sin of saying that there was NO requirement when it is actually quite minimal.

Name, address, SSN.

Even soldiers held captive can give their "name, rank, and serial number' and not violate the oath they took.

Do you know that there are


843 posted on 06/12/2005 1:42:18 PM PDT by Badray
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