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To: NonValueAdded

"I guess you do not have a source?"

"A source for reasoned speculation of how Congress would manipulate a sales tax scheme? No, and I don't have a time machine either."

I am so glad you admitted that your scary scenario is "speculation". What about precedent? I believe that there are about 45 states which currently have a sales tax and none have been added within the past 15 or so years, if memory serves. So how many of the state sales taxes have morphed into the kind of monstrosity that you have forecast for a national sales tax?


79 posted on 06/11/2005 9:11:06 PM PDT by phil_will1
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To: phil_will1
See post 81 and Florida's flirtation with the ADF plus their structure on food. Remember too that state and local government is much closer to the people than is the Federal government and that many states have initiative petition processes to undo tax grabs.

Finally, look at Brevard County, Florida who twice resoundingly turned back an attempt to trigger the local 1% sales tax adder that was to fund an amazing array of pet projects. The last time we voted, it had a spending list of every possible bell and whistle any county or city agency could dream up. Essentially they tried to fund their 5-year wish lists but it would take more than 5 years of taxation to pay off the bonds that would be used. I wonder what they planned to do in year 6?

Oh but you say, the voters turned that aside. Yes and how has the Florida legislature responded? This year they tried to kill the voter approval part and let the county governments simply impose the tax.

Sources? You will find articles on the very subject right here on FR and probably with my comments posted on them. I'm not going to bother with posting links since I'm so pissed off about that "you gotta have a source" to post a comment. Who died and made them the FEC?

And as to your next post about no one debating? I am NOT defending the current system but my attempts at debate are met with "what's your source? what's your source" Like I need Boortz to say something first before I can make that point? I've painted a scenario that is very plausible. Tell me how the "fair tax" plan prevents that from happening.

83 posted on 06/11/2005 11:44:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (NEWSWEEK LIED, PEOPLE DIED)
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To: phil_will1; NonValueAdded
I believe that there are about 45 states which currently have a sales tax and none have been added within the past 15 or so years, if memory serves. So how many of the state sales taxes have morphed into the kind of monstrosity that you have forecast for a national sales tax?
How many of those 45 states have a sales tax plan structured like the Fairtax? Such as a tax on the gross payment rather than price? Or mail out "rebate checks" before any taxes are paid, or even if NO taxes are paid...Why not?

Even Texas says they'd have to hire more people/ "expand" and educate their employees as well as even more businesses not previously subject to their state sales tax to understand the NEW fair(?) tax. Not to mention the sizable costs for new infrastucture.That sounds like a monstrosity in the making times 50 to me.

85 posted on 06/12/2005 12:12:48 AM PDT by lewislynn ( Is calling for energy independence a "protectionist" act?)
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