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To: Skooz
Yes, bonfire, even crimes that repulsive and disgusting can be washed away by the Blood of Christ.

Yet another reason that I will never, ever be a Christian. I personally think the man's n@d's should be removed without anastheisa.

55 posted on 06/09/2005 11:38:21 AM PDT by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: DGray

You can still be a Christian and believe in castration!! :)


62 posted on 06/09/2005 11:40:50 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: DGray
Yet another reason that I will never, ever be a Christian.

A clarification should be made: if a victim feels like forgiving him, that's their prerogative.

If the abuser sees the error of his ways and turns to Christ in remorse, great.

But, as a Christian, I will point out that the personal forgiveness/conversion of the two principals is immaterial to public safety: the true Christian position is that he should be given a few days to repent if he wants and then he should be killed.

It would be positively unChristian to everyone else to let such an individual live and risk his returning to his old bad habits again.

It is a Christian moral imperative to defend the vulnerable from those who would prey upon them - the Bible emphasizes this moral principle at great length and I could quote chapter and verse extensively.

65 posted on 06/09/2005 11:45:05 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: DGray

You can be forgiven only if you are truly repentant, and God knows if you're faking.
Secondly, even with contrition there is penance.
Lastly, to forgive, for instance as Pope John Paul II did his would-be assassin, does not mean forget and it does not mean that crimes go unpunished, either on earth or by God.


86 posted on 06/09/2005 12:18:48 PM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: DGray
Respectfully I asked, because Christ can forgive anyone, why would that not be a reason to be a Christian?

You see as a collective "we" we make this about us. Ask the child vic to pull the trigger on the ones that hurt them and you are going to get very few that want to. The nature of the abuser is such that the vic carries the burden not the perp. Do you have any idea the kind of guilt a child would feel knowing there family member no matter how heinous was killed for the action against them?

I am not against the death penalty this is not about that, this is about the nature of abuse. I am not a blood is thicker then water person, but the reality is most people feel a larger obligation to there family then to strangers or friends. A child's whole world is there family. There child comprehension does not take into account before them or after them. The sick cycle of abuse teaches them that if they can just get through whatever is happening there is a chance mom or dad or both will be happy and when they are "happy" life is good. Sadly like a family dog who had been kicked they will come when called because what they have is everything they know.

We as collective say shoot them, hang them, whatever, the child vic's think "don't hurt them, its my fault" and that along with the abuse can kill any chance of normal. Unearned guilt is about the most destructive oppressive emotion we can hold. Part of me could line them up and shoot them all, but I know what it would do to there vic's. So locking them up and throwing the key away is what we can do in the best interest of the children. Because one day they may sit across from them and say "it's all on you, I give it back" and walk away free.
95 posted on 06/09/2005 12:43:29 PM PDT by Mask316 (Mrs. Kezekiel)
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