[Ramius]

I've been trying to get a real discussion started for ideas that will actually work.

First I think we need to define the components of the problem. People coming here to work in fields and hotels and restaurants are not a threat that I'm particularly worried about. People coming here to blow up shopping malls *are* a threat to be worried about.

Tell me what you think of a sponsored guest worker card? This makes *legal* immigrants out of the bulk of the traffic over the border, and relieves the border patrol to work on a much smaller and more manageable threat.

[datura]

"Sponsored" guest worker card......Firstly, I want to know that you are paying that worker by US laws for US workers. That means the full line of accounting, benefits, wages, etc. That way, you aren't importing lower wages into the US, driving down the prevailing wage within our borders.

Agreed?

[Prokopton]

The problem is not just potential terrorists. The problem includes people coming here as common criminals to prey on our citizens with the huge attendant costs. The problem includes those coming here to suck off the largess of the American taxpayer with its significant impact on American families. The problem includes our loyal citizenry being diluted by those who owe no allegiance to our country or its founding principals. The problem is no less than the potential for the destruction of of our country, as we know it, and our cherished way of life.