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Is Europe Dying?
Foreign Policy Research Institute ^ | June 7, 2005 | George Weigel

Posted on 06/08/2005 12:26:29 AM PDT by Liberty Wins

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To: Liberty Wins

All of the atheistic humanism stems from the french revolution, in my opinion, aided in some measure by our own Thomas Jefferson. I think the french rev also spawned our old buddy marx et. al.

btw, I think tribalism will save Europe and us too. The Arabs think they're mean. Nobody is meaner than we are once we get going.


141 posted on 07/26/2005 3:29:54 PM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: annalex
Consider anarchy. There is no state and no law but the moral law and the individual rights. The judge...

What judge?? To speak of the "judge" in a state of anarchy is as nonsensical as to speak of the "king" of a republic -- it is an impossibility by definition.

142 posted on 07/27/2005 5:20:04 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: annalex
I advocate that the judge, when following the moral law, should step outside of his formal authority.

In which case the police are not bound to -- and indeed not permitted to -- enforce his pronouncements.

143 posted on 07/27/2005 5:22:00 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

Agreed, and it seems to be getting worse.


144 posted on 07/27/2005 5:26:56 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: steve-b
To speak of the "judge" in a state of anarchy is [...] an impossibility by definition.

You don't understand anarchy. In anarchy, law is adjudicated by private judges who contract their services to aggrieved parties, and receive service from private enforcers. The difference is absence of the state monopoly on law interpretation and enforcement.

Regarding your second point, it is true that the judge may have a difficulty enforcing the judgements he makes in open defiance of the morally injust law. It really would depend on which level of law enforcement we are talking about -- police is not monolithical. It does not relieve him from the moral responsibility to do just that, nevertheless.

145 posted on 07/27/2005 12:54:12 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

If you're talking about a privately hired arbitrator in an anarcho-capitalist setting, then obviously the party injured by a judgement that was not supported by the previously agreed scope of the arbitrator's authority would simply ignore it.


146 posted on 07/27/2005 1:23:10 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

Your original contention was that a judge who follows his conscience would be soliciting criminal assault, and my subsequent post about anarchy showed that not to be so, even if, indeed, the judge might have problems enforcing his judgement.


147 posted on 07/27/2005 1:27:35 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
Your original contention was that a judge who follows his conscience would be soliciting criminal assault, and my subsequent post about anarchy showed that not to be so, even if, indeed, the judge might have problems enforcing his judgement.

Not so. A "judge" who issues a pronouncement outside the scope of his authority with the intent that it be enforced has solicited the lawless use of force, even if the enforcers (quite correctly) ignore the instruction.

148 posted on 07/28/2005 5:49:21 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Liberty Wins
Question: "Is Europe Dying?"

Response: Yes.

149 posted on 07/28/2005 5:52:10 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: steve-b

Not if his judgement is directed against a violation of the moral law.


150 posted on 07/28/2005 11:11:28 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

Irrelevant, as he has no charter to enforce any but the written law.


151 posted on 07/28/2005 11:22:18 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

Your original contention was that a judge who follows his conscience would be soliciting criminal assault, and not that he would have a difficulty enforcing it. He would, indeed, have that difficulty.


152 posted on 07/28/2005 1:00:47 PM PDT by annalex
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To: bobjam
We may be seeing the Ayn Rand scenerio being played out in Europe. The capitalists abandoned the continent and look what happened: mass slaughters that would make Robespierre and Cromwell puke.

I am not sure. Most of European immigrants at the end of XIX century and beginning of XX century were poor peasants from Italy, Poland etc who came to work in factories and mines.

And many of the first settlers in colonial times were the friends of Cromwell. Ayn Rand sucks.

153 posted on 08/31/2005 5:24:37 PM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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