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To: sittnick; Gipper08; onyx; Petronski; ninenot
Nothing wrong with Allen or Brownback (other than Brownback's lack of executive experience). IF, as suggested by Gipper08, Allen does not thrill pro-lifers and those socially conservative on other issues, I feel confident that he can take a sufficient written pledge to satisfy doubters.

If McCain (whom I am ashamed to say I favored in 2000) is nominated, he might choose Russ Feingold as his running mate. McCain-Feingold has that familiar ring. Actually McCain's real danger is that, in his Captain Queeg persona, he will run 3rd party in which case he would choose a Demonrat dweeb running mate to show America that he will end partisanship as we know it. Of course, show me the candidate who promises to take the politics out of (name yer poison) and I will show you a candidate with complete contempt for public input who wants to replace party bossism with personal bossism. Oh wait, that defines McCain, doesn't it?

gipper08: Mike Pence certainly seems to be a wonderful guy and a wonderful congressman. On the other hand, legislators who have no executive experience rarely win the White House. Since the Civil War (and probably longer) only three incumbent senators have been elected: Benjamin Harrison in 1888, Warren Gamaliel Harding in 1920 and John F. Kennedy. In terms of actual achievements, each was eminently forgettable. In 1880, the election produced the ONLY sitting Congressman to be elected in American history: James Garfield, also eminently forgettable but he was Speaker of the House not a junior member. Would it not be better by far for the relatively youthful Pence to become a cabinet secretary or governor of Indiana as a stepping stone. Executive experience and performance are not negligible items. If you really think that a legislative seat is a launching pad, maybe he should take out Evan Bayh. I am very enthusiastic for Pence as a future major leaer and even president but three terms in Congress are a very thin resume.

140 posted on 06/07/2005 9:08:55 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
IF, as suggested by Gipper08, Allen does not thrill pro-lifers and those socially conservative on other issues, I feel confident that he can take a sufficient written pledge to satisfy doubters.

Allen's solid and trustworthy on social issues -- except --> he believes life begins (and presumably ends) with heartbeat/brainwave activity (roughly 8 weeks).

I have a lot easier time dealing with an honest disagreement over the beginning of life than a hypocritical "personally opposed, but ..." that you'll get from many who still claim to be pro-life.

147 posted on 06/07/2005 9:41:41 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: BlackElk
If I thought Allen or anyone else could get the job done(stopping the expansion of government) then I would not be suggesting Pence(in 2008). In my opinion Pence is the only conservative leader on the scene who is a die hard conservative and can win.I like Allen,just like I love Bush.But for me,I do not want anyone who isnt SIGNIFICANTLY to the right of Bush.Do you believe Allen is to the right of Bush? I enjoyed your post and you gave me alot to think about,but Pence is the ONLY guy I trust.
173 posted on 06/07/2005 6:02:20 PM PDT by Gipper08 (MIKE PENCE IN 2008)
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